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Here's the thread I made for the Tehom=Outsiders theory: http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,38033.0.html


--- Quote from: taishojojo on May 15, 2013, 08:13:26 PM ---[summon target="Serack"]
IIRC...
The WoJ in my head goes a little differently. It states (paraphrasing) "who is to say they [WG and Lucifer] are not the originals? We wouldn't know." He appeared to be speculating; not necessarily a statement of DV fact.
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Here you go:


--- Quote ---Dudesan: Related to #1- In the short story Backup, you introduced the oblivion war and the Venatori, who undermine the supernatural beings by making humanity forget about them[2] . They once hoped to try that trick against the fairies, but the narrator of that story remarked that it was judged to be unfeasible. What are the limits of this strategy? Is memory-erasing magic useful to it (or does it have to be "legitimate" forgetting?), and if so, would some enormous blanket memory-erasing ritual similar in principle to the heart-ripping spell at the climax of Changes[3] be a superweapon in this fight? Could this theoretically be attempted against Lucifer or even The Almighty?
Jim: 6) It's got to be genuine forgetfulness. And for all we know, there's already been a Lucifer and an Almighty that's been forgotten. I mean, how would we know, eh? Though I think you could never really truly banish everything. As long as there's an irrational thought or someone wondering, "Who made this place?" Thank God, so to speak. A world of pure rationality would be desperately dull. And I'd probably have to write English papers.
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Ms Duck:

--- Quote from: taishojojo on May 15, 2013, 08:13:26 PM ---[summon target="Serack"]
IIRC...
The WoJ in my head goes a little differently. It states (paraphrasing) "who is to say they [WG and Lucifer] are not the originals? We wouldn't know." He appeared to be speculating; not necessarily a statement of DV fact.
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yea youre right, sorry I didn't state it clearly

123456789blaaa:
Thoughts on the new organization in the OP? I'm thinking of snipping and pasting the quotes so that the need for a "Combination" section would be obviated. Some of the quotes only have a little bit that's relevant to this thread too. I dunno if the people who made the quotes would be okay with it though...?

Serack:
Thanks count, btw, could you add where that WoJ came from?  I usually include either a link or the year/event

Also, when making a quote you can change the part in the first brackets to say {quote=quote source here}


--- Quote from: quote source here ---like this
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Edit:  I'm going to have to knuckle down and spend a weekend updating the WoJ compilation and reviewing stuffs.  I'll be time consuming though.

wizard nelson:
So a lil background on Hells Bells from wiki-answers.
what is the origin of the idiom hell's bells?
-If you are unfortunate enough to get to, Hell, when you arrive there is a ceremony where new arrivals are required to ring bells, like church bells, to let all in Hell know you have arrived. In other words, Hell's bells, are what are rung to alert those that have been there a while, "You have company."

I know it contradicts my earlier theory but maybe Hells Bells do go off when we have outsider visitors?

On Stars and Stones, Something that struck me literally ten min ago as I reread changes. When Harry goes to the stone table there is very specifically 5 cold pure stars described as upon Lady nights throat(Hint hint!). I wonder if the phrase isn't connected to these stars and this stone table? conjecture, SNS will deal with how the table was made, how it works and why it can give power to a wellspring.

--- Quote ---Chaos is depicted as an empty void.
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