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Scion Question
Tedronai:
--- Quote from: Cadd on May 05, 2013, 07:44:13 PM ---fae, not playable by RAW no matter the refresh
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Is there actually a definitive statement to that effect in the RAW?
Cadd:
Um, darn it, now you went and made me uncertain here...
Edit: After looking at it, I think I might actually have mixed it up with the note by "Spectre" on OW57 about "low refresh but still unplayable" and just in my head expanded it. Will duly edit my previous post to reflect that it was opinion, not RAW.
Vairelome:
--- Quote from: Mr. Ghostbuster on May 05, 2013, 11:01:43 AM ---Angels may have some sort of free will but they are not free to act against their nature.
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They can act against their nature, but it causes them to Fall. They are "free to act against their nature" in terms of this choice being possible, but definitely not "free" in the sense that this choice has no inherent consequence.
For functional gameplay purposes, I'd run angels as constantly choosing not to Fall, which looks exactly like not having free will. I'm not exactly sure how I'd treat an angelic scion, though; it would probably depend on the background and justification I was given.
cold_breaker:
This is where FATE and Butcher's fiction deviate a little. By the setting, Fae have no true free will and can't be PCs. By Fate - if you have enough refresh, they can be.
Personally, I'd allow players to play a full Fae if they had a backstory to explain why they have free will. Possibly a force of nature corrupted?
Scions on the other hand I read as 'half breeds' - as opposed to a changeling that makes a choice to be Fae or human, Scions are human that have inherited power from their non-human parents and therefore are the exception - they mostly do have free will, although they might feel the pull of their parents. The downside of this is they never had the choice to go to one side or the other - they're stuck in the middle with no way out. Thus why Scions are the ideal, if a bit more boring, choice for a PC. They're also a lot more rare than a changeling, and I'd personally say a magnitude weaker than their parentage by default, but that's just me.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Vairelome on May 06, 2013, 09:52:03 AM ---They can act against their nature, but it causes them to Fall. They are "free to act against their nature" in terms of this choice being possible, but definitely not "free" in the sense that this choice has no inherent consequence.
For functional gameplay purposes, I'd run angels as constantly choosing not to Fall, which looks exactly like not having free will. I'm not exactly sure how I'd treat an angelic scion, though; it would probably depend on the background and justification I was given.
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According to Genesis, the angelic Half-breeds (Nephilim were the Giants (like Goliath) and by some interpretations it was their capacity for wickedness that led to God sending the Flood. By that I would think that they had mortal style Free Will and none of the imposed Purpose that seems to bind the full, Created Angels.
That being said, it might be fun to run them as having a Light Side/Dark Side sort of Choice hanging over them, where they can ultimately Choose to be more like a Loyalist angel (soulfire, etc) or a Fallen (gaining denarian-esk powers)
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