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Scion Question
polkaneverdies:
The old Woj about Kincaid made it clear that scions do have a Choice.
The new Woj (from the KC q and a iirc) would at least seem to raise the distinct possibility of fae characters being playable and still not venturing outside of cannon (if that concerns your group).
Troy:
--- Quote from: polkaneverdies on May 06, 2013, 04:42:44 PM ---The old Woj about Kincaid made it clear that scions do have a Choice.
The new Woj (from the KC q and a iirc) would at least seem to raise the distinct possibility of fae characters being playable and still not venturing outside of cannon (if that concerns your group).
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I think the question that concerns our group is: Can a player be forced to "Choose?" Can a player be forced to make their character non-playable? An NPC? Even if it is part of a story, like with Changelings...
The whole vibe from DF RPG and FATE system in general tells me... Probably not. If a player doesn't want their character to become an NPC, then they can make all the right choices to prevent that from happening by the rules as written.
--- Quote from: Quantus ---Scions on the other hand I read as 'half breeds' - as opposed to a changeling that makes a choice to be Fae or human, Scions are human that have inherited power from their non-human parents and therefore are the exception - they mostly do have free will, although they might feel the pull of their parents. The downside of this is they never had the choice to go to one side or the other - they're stuck in the middle with no way out. Thus why Scions are the ideal, if a bit more boring, choice for a PC. They're also a lot more rare than a changeling, and I'd personally say a magnitude weaker than their parentage by default, but that's just me.
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Changelings are Scions. So, that's what brought the question up. Changelings have an explicit Choice to make when playing the game. Remain mortal and have some nifty powers or... become Fae and get some more nifty powers. The rules say that the former is a PC and the latter is an NPC. We're wondering if other Scions have drawback and, even in the case of Changelings, can that Choice be forced upon you?
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Troy on May 06, 2013, 08:14:39 PM ---I think the question that concerns our group is: Can a player be forced to "Choose?" Can a player be forced to make their character non-playable? An NPC? Even if it is part of a story, like with Changelings...
The whole vibe from DF RPG and FATE system in general tells me... Probably not. If a player doesn't want their character to become an NPC, then they can make all the right choices to prevent that from happening by the rules as written.
Changelings are Scions. So, that's what brought the question up. Changelings have an explicit Choice to make when playing the game. Remain mortal and have some nifty powers or... become Fae and get some more nifty powers. The rules say that the former is a PC and the latter is an NPC. We're wondering if other Scions have drawback and, even in the case of Changelings, can that Choice be forced upon you?
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I didnt say that :P
GryMor:
--- Quote from: Troy on May 06, 2013, 08:14:39 PM ---The rules say that the former is a PC and the latter is an NPC. We're wondering if other Scions have drawback and, even in the case of Changelings, can that Choice be forced upon you?
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A taken out result could be having the Choice forced upon you. IIRC, it also gets effectively forced if, with a template that can't get rid of powers, you go off the deep end with non temporary powers.
This ignores the hybrid cases (Mom's a Wizard, Dad's a Fey, I'm a practitioner with a few Changeling assists) where making the 'Mortal' side of the Choice may actually leave you with 'powers' (or let you redevelop them).
cold_breaker:
--- Quote from: Troy on May 06, 2013, 08:14:39 PM ---Changelings are Scions. So, that's what brought the question up. Changelings have an explicit Choice to make when playing the game. Remain mortal and have some nifty powers or... become Fae and get some more nifty powers. The rules say that the former is a PC and the latter is an NPC. We're wondering if other Scions have drawback and, even in the case of Changelings, can that Choice be forced upon you?
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Changelings are technically scions, but fae scions are not necessarily changelings, at least how I understand it. Please let me know if I've missed that part in the books. Basically what this means is not all of them even get a choice: some just plain don't get to choose one or the other, they're permanently stuck in between. That's why I usually like to differentiate between scions and changelings. I'd also say that the concept of the choice is unique to Fae, since the idea of mantles of power is there. For other races, it might not be possible to become a full blooded creature, or it might require some more difficult or simple right of passage - such as a ritual, or simply hitting a certain age, etc.
But as for being forced to make a decision? I'd say yes, but it's quite difficult to force such a decision and might require a strong compel on your high concept. As a GM, I'd never make such a compel if the player couldn't buy it off, and would use it to basically exhaust that players fate points for a fight. I'd also have a good and very personal reason for the compel - your sisters in danger, you could save her if you had more power! etc. etc.
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