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Has Mab become something more? [CD Spoilers]
Mira:
--- Quote ---I understand why Titania did not interferes with Lily. She simply didn't care. But Cd show that Mab did care about Maeve. Why then, did she let Maeve have a weak knight?
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I think Titania did care, but actually Lily chose well, Fix has proven himself a good Summer Knight. I also think different things are required from the Summer Knight verses the Winter one.
--- Quote ---The one when Harry had just summoned her just before she attacks. Mother Winter called Mab romantic.
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Which implies some human feeling.
Gman:
--- Quote from: huangjimmy108 on March 07, 2013, 02:08:56 AM ---I agree with you there. In normal circumstances, it is the lady that select the knight and in most circumstances the queen did not interfere to much.
Now, the questions: Why does the queen not interferes in a knight selection? Is the selection of a knight is beneath a Queen's notice?
We know that Slate is weak. And I assume we agree that Mab knows about Slate's weak nature before SK. Why then, did she not order Maeve to replace Slate? If a knight have to be powerful and capable like Harry and if such a knight is critical for the winter court as a whole, how come a mediocre knight like slate can hold the job?
I understand why Titania did not interferes with Lily. She simply didn't care. But Cd show that Mab did care about Maeve. Why then, did she let Maeve have a weak knight?
The only answer that I can think of for these questions is the conclusion that a powerful knight like Harry is undesirable under normal circumstances. It is to much trouble to kept a knight like Harry unless there is a definitive problem that needs such a knight. This let me to think that Harry may be in danger once he fulfills his duties to winter. He won't be needed anymore and he will starts to be more trouble than he is worth, But since Mab is a strong Queen herself, she'll probably find a way to make use of a dangerous knight like Harry. A less secure and capable Queen however, might view Harry as a threat and might find it easier to terminate him either by killing or use drugs and seks to keep him insensible.
Butter's comment about the mantle shutting down Harry's ability to feel pain is Mab's way to control the knight supports this theory. If Mab have to regulates the knight so he won't grow to powerful , it means Mab have reason to fear her knight.
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Perhaps choosing a Knight is one of the Lady's duties and not the Queen's. The Ladys perhaps deal more with the mortal world on a day to day basis and the Queens deal with larger issues and the nevernever. Under normal circumstances a mediocre Knight and a competent Knight may not be a big deal. Harry is Starborn and a Fulcrum. I think Maeve did not want a Knight that could stand up to her and wanted a toy to play with. Mab probably would like a competent Knight at all times.
Gman:
--- Quote from: Mira on March 07, 2013, 05:04:36 AM ---I think Titania did care, but actually Lily chose well, Fix has proven himself a good Summer Knight. I also think different things are required from the Summer Knight verses the Winter one.Which implies some human feeling.
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I think Titania was still grieving about Aurora's death and did not spend enough time instructing Lily. Lily seemed real ignorant about the Outsiders, Nemesis and the role of Winter against the Outsiders. Fix does seem to be a decent SK. Lily seems to be nice but a bit incompetent.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Gman on March 07, 2013, 05:12:23 AM ---I think Titania was still grieving about Aurora's death and did not spend enough time instructing Lily. Lily seemed real ignorant about the Outsiders, Nemesis and the role of Winter against the Outsiders. Fix does seem to be a decent SK. Lily seems to be nice but a bit incompetent.
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Which shows a weakness in the way Ladies are chosen.. Poor Lily had no choice it would appear, though I am wondering if the human part of her did, and the mantle was thrust upon her. Aurora, being Titania's daughter was supposedly born into it, meaning when Titania moved up to Queen she became Lady, she was prepped for the job like Sarissa, even Molly was prepped.. Mab saw to that, maybe because she does have a cold analytical nature and planned ahead. In contrast Titania going with the passion and emotion of the heart thing, though knowing her daughter was mad could not bring herself to have a replacement trained?
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--- Quote from: matolilyfu on March 07, 2013, 03:07:32 AM ---Pardon?
I just took it as an unwillingness to let a lesser being get the better of him. When he had a chance to kill him outright, he marked him for the "Hunt" and went away. I think hate would have required him to witness if not assist with killing Harry
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For an example, look at this WoJ:
--- Quote ---For the Dresden Files, the whole point of The Almighty positive good forces that are out there is that free will is important and they respect that and you've gotta have it and use it. That's the entire point. They are a force of freedom. And it's the bad guys who are going around doing whatever they can to abrogate free will. So for me, where you draw the line is what defines where good stops and evil starts is by how much you're taking away free will and how much you're enabling it.
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Obviously to Jim Free Will is extremely important for examining good and evil in the Dresdenverse. I on the other hand to not even believe Free Will exists in RL. Obviously this means that my thoughts on good and evil are going to be very different than what I think is the objective truth in the Dresdenverse.
Basically, are you asking about my thoughts or what I think is true in the Dresdenverse?
--- Quote from: huangjimmy108 on March 07, 2013, 03:20:06 AM ---Well, we have Mab the human more than 1,000 years ago. After 1,000 years have pass, we got the current Mab. It kind of suggest that all of her interactions with other mortals did not have much effect.
This is why I wanted the background story on Mab's assention. If Mab took up the Winter queen's mantle because Mab the human love the world and she believe that it is the only way to protect this reality from the outsiders then it is unlikely that Harry or any other mortal for that Matter to effect her soul. Unlikely because being the cold and cruel winter queen is exactly what she chose to be. If Mab is satisfied with her current fate, it is also unlikely for her to change, because with the remaining free wil she has, she chose to be the winter queen. She has no regrets. . If that is the case, nothing can change her untill she wanted to change.
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You're assuming that the current Mab is the product of all 1000 years. What if she becomes the Winter Queen, then 500 years of being the Winter Queen slowly smother her soul (down to either a small ember or nothing) then 500 years of increased interacting with mortals fans the flames until we get the current Mab.
I'm symplifying enormously here but you get the idea.
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