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Proof that Time Travel Harry did not fix Little Chicago?? (CD Spoilers)
Cenphx:
--- Quote from: wyltok on February 11, 2013, 11:47:15 PM ---You're making the assumption that Future Dresden traveled to the past to change it, rather than Future Dresden traveled to the past to ensure everything happened the way it was meant to. Think Harry Potter and the Prisioner of Azkaban, where Potter makes the Stag Patronus that saves himself and Sirius from the Dementors.
If the situation here is like the one in Harry Potter, then the time travel is aligned with the temporal inertia, rather than against it, so there would be no temporal echoes in the past. Instead, the temporal echoes would occur near the time in the future where Dresden travels to the past, with the echoes being a result of the timeline changing if Dresden fails to do what he already did.
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Ugh, this is why I LOATHE time travel. I am admittedly horrible at reasoning this out. But let me try...
Ok, only one of two people could have changed LC in our example. Now Harry or Future Harry. We know Now Harry did not do it because Now Harry has no memory of doing so and we don’t watch him do so (though I guess he has “forgotten” things like ordering his own death and his blasting rod, so this may not be a safe assumption, but let’s table that for now). Therefore, it is Future Harry which takes the actions changing LC (like in the example you used, it is Future Potter). If Future Harry does not act, then LC blows up.
If you say, well, Future Harry always was going to fix LC, so he is not changing the past, he is making it happen the way it was always supposed to, then there would be no such thing as changing the past because every action Future Person takes is always the action they would have taken and the past is never altered [/u]. Yet we know from Odin’s speech that such a thing is possible, though difficult.
ReturnToOne:
I thought the echo thing was unique to demon reach?
Cenphx:
--- Quote from: ReturnToOne on February 12, 2013, 12:07:56 AM ---I thought the echo thing was unique to demon reach?
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Well, that description I put in the OP is pretty much word for word what Odin said to Harry at Mac's bar in Cold Days. It was definitely in the context of figuring out when the attack was going to happen at Demonreach, but I thought it was defining time travel generally, not a situation special or specific to the time travel sheninigans happening at DR. That was just my take on it though...
Griffyn612:
Cold Days Incident
I'm one of the biggest TTH theory supporters around. At least, I talk about it the most. So understand that as I analyze your observation, I do so in a slightly biased fashion.
First, my interpretation of what caused the build-up is different from what yours is. You seem to think that the energy build-up felt on the island was due to someone messing with time. My interpretation was that it was a build-up of energy by the attack that had already commenced.
See, Maeve and Lily both hit DR with a lot of power within a time-dilation field. Harry and the Hunt were caught in the time-dilation field, and Odin Claus had to break them through it to get them there on time. Once there, they battled the Outsiders first, and then went after the Ladies.
The Ladies had a good amount of time to attack DR. Their attack was designed to hit DR not only in one place at one time, but at one place from multiple times. That's the other purpose of the time-dilation they cast; it allowed their attack to happen simultaneously with other times. That energy attack is what set off the build-up of energy felt by DR. The build-up wasn't from the explosion of the island, or the time-stream trying to be changed; it was from the attack. Bob himself showed a movie about it, where the attack was represented as a dissonance against the protection spells on the island. It was that dissonance build-up that caused the flares which were felt on the island.
Since there's no time-dilating attack in PG, there wouldn't have to be a build-up like the one we saw on DR.
Proven Guilty Incident
I understand your dilemma with the time-travel theory. That if Harry travels back and fixes LC, but didn't fix it the first time, then we end up with a paradox/splinter universe, like Odin describes.
But the ANSWER has been provided in Cold Days! (Ta-Da!)
Ready for it?
Merlin didn't build the prison five times; he built it once at five times.
Harry doesn't travel back in time to fix LC; he creates a temporal joining between the two times, so that they occur together, just like Merlin did to create DR.
There was no first time when Harry didn't fix LC, or someone else did, because the first time the events of PG occur, Harry creates a temporal bridge with a future time, thus allowing it all to occur at the same time!
BOOM!!!! Mind blown.
Ms Duck:
Problem
Merlin's power and skill >>>>>> Harry's
to the point im convinced Merlin was working for a cosmic level power when he did that; no mortal is capable of building a prison that can hold a titan.
your theory demands Harry gains godlike power. It always had. Im not ready to buy that yet.
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