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Proof that Time Travel Harry did not fix Little Chicago?? (CD Spoilers)
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: Cenphx on February 12, 2013, 01:02:56 AM ---But let’s talk about it for a second. You are saying the energy buildup which was going to cause the explosion Molly was talking to Harry when he first gets to Chicago is NOT due to someone futzing with time but is a result of the spell Maeve and Lily were performing, if I understand you correctly. But how is it that the energy buildup had already started before Harry even met with Molly? Remember Molly had already been talking to Lea about it, so not necessarily days or anything, but people were noticing the energy backlash definitely some time before that night at Demonreach. I noticed that you said their (Maeve/Lily’s) attack was happening simultaneously with other times. I could see that. But it couldn’t have been happening as early as when Molly noticed the energy building up, because didn’t Harry met with both Maeve and Lilly at the Botanical Gardens after that?
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The time at which the attack commenced was the night of December 31st. From that place and time, Maeve and Lily created a time-distortion field. Their attack then branched out through time, attacking from multiple times. That's how Bob describes the attack early in CD. In doing so, it impacted the wards at DR, which then caused the ripples which everyone sensed.
--- Quote from: Cenphx on February 12, 2013, 01:12:25 AM ---Hmm...I guess when I was imagining Merlin creating DR, I picture it as there was one Merlin existing in one place which happened to be a joining of 5 different times, like he had folded time like a ribbon and the spot where the folds were held together was were he was standing when he worked the magic to create Demonreach. So it was one Merlin at five different points in time, but at the same time.
But that doesn't work for the Little Chicago example, because even if you folded time to make the future and the time of Proven Guilty touch, there would be 2 Harrys in existence at the time LC was fixed, the one who knows it was being fixed and our Harry who had no idea.
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I agree with your Merlin/ribbon analogy. Merlin folded 5 times together, so that there was one place experiencing all 5 times at once. There was one Merlin completing the work at DR. That doesn't mean that there wasn't another Merlin at any of those times.
If Harry folds time (with Odin's help) so that the events of PG are bridged to another time, then there's a chance Harry can exist as two people in the same place in the same time(s). And because the times were linked with a temporal bridge, there wasn't a time when they weren't.
It's beyond Harry's ability, and may even be beyond what Merlin did. We don't know if his five times were all present and future, or if some were past as well. But if there's a way to link a place between two times, then it could explain how Harry could exist as two different people the one and only time that time occurs.
--- Quote from: Ms Duck on February 12, 2013, 01:17:06 AM ---sorry griff, I doubt Odin's that strong. we are talking white god level, there. ;)
a Titan could take out Odin or Mab by sneezing hard. Odin is in the category of 'can walk around fine on earth without causing so much as a temperature change' -- he nowhere near that level.
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So by your estimate, Merlin was TWG? How did he do it?
TheCuriousFan:
--- Quote from: Ms Duck on February 12, 2013, 12:33:33 AM ---Problem
Merlin's power and skill >>>>>> Harry's
to the point im convinced Merlin was working for a cosmic level power when he did that; no mortal is capable of building a prison that can hold a titan.
your theory demands Harry gains godlike power. It always had. Im not ready to buy that yet.
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Didn't Harry point out that the power requirements to make Demonreach aren't that much more than what he can do?
Ben de Wal:
Harry couldn't power up the first layer of wards on one stone which had many layers of wards on his best day according to bob
TheCuriousFan:
--- Quote from: Ben de Wal on February 12, 2013, 01:38:22 AM ---Harry couldn't power up the first layer of wards on one stone which had many layers of wards on his best day according to bob
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I was talking about when Demonreach explained through Bob how the island was made. I'm not at home so I can't get the exact quote.
rekshek:
--- Quote from: TheCuriousFan on February 12, 2013, 01:40:46 AM ---I was talking about when Demonreach explained through Bob how the island was made. I'm not at home so I can't get the exact quote.
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He said the power he could match, but the complexity of the system was beyond even Bob.
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