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Santa Claus is a Fae reference collection [CD Spoilers]
wizard nelson:
--- Quote from: 123456789blaaa on January 01, 2013, 07:44:35 PM ---In that case the worshippers are basically just a side effect of becoming a god then. They're not required for you to be a god.
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worshippers provide a power boost. you don't have to actually be a god or even be from the NN. iirc the time before the WC was said to be a time of dark god warlock wannabe's. i interpreted this to mean warlocks of the past exploited their power and demanded worship as a 'god' hence increasing their power.
King Ash:
--- Quote from: 123456789blaaa on January 01, 2013, 11:43:53 AM ---
I can't remember Harry ever calling Mab a god. Could you quote an example? I also don't remember him giving any god in the series a capital G unless they were the White God. I do remember someone talking about "lesser gods" which implies greater gods...Does it say that Ferro serves something? I can't remember. I do remember that Ferro was called a VP of Creation which is the same thing Uriel was called so...that might imply that they're on the same power level. If that is true though than why was he at Biancia's ball? All the other beings on Uriels power level (the mother maybe?) are sort of above things like that.
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--- Quote ---6. ferrovax - is this because he's the OLDEST dragon? (i thought it was an empty boast) or because he's a dragon?
Ferrovax feels absolutely no need to boast. It's because he /is/ a Dragon, large D, an elemental force of the cosmos. He isn't some kind of Smaug hanging around a nice apartment. He's a Dragon in a more Asian sense of the concept, a semi-divine being who was once given authority over various portions of the mortal universe, and who was responsible for their orderly procession. There /are/ Smauglike dragons (though not nearly as many now as there have been in the past, thanks George!) but they are essentially nothing but emissaries and servitors created in the image of the real thing.
Regardless of big D or little d, dragons almost universally resent humanity for usurping the balance of power in the world.
2009 Independence signing
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That says that Ferro was given authority which means that there was someone above him. And that quote makes him sound more like he had a job similar to Mab/Titania that a VP of creation to me. Afterall, given that she is mostly immortal she could be called semi-divine and she controls various portions of the mortal universe. And Mab is in no way equal to Uriel. So I can't understand why people think Ferrovax was once a VP of creation.
Ms Duck:
--- Quote from: 123456789blaaa on January 01, 2013, 07:44:35 PM ---In that case the worshippers are basically just a side effect of becoming a god then. They're not required for you to be a god.
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i think thats what I said. or tried to say? I list two definitions of a 'god' in the DF- historical and raw power. Never meant to say- or imply- you need both. some have one, some have another; there is a definate corelation between the two in that the amoutnof power you are allowed to use is in some way limited by the number of believers you have (according to the oblivion war).. but it has little effect on the amount of actaul power a god has, i think.
that comes from:
-purpose
- sacrifices
-feeding (some gods may be able to feed thru worship)
-number of servants (?)
123456789blaaa:
--- Quote from: Ms Duck on January 02, 2013, 05:47:57 AM ---i think thats what I said. or tried to say? I list two definitions of a 'god' in the DF- historical and raw power. Never meant to say- or imply- you need both. some have one, some have another; there is a definate corelation between the two in that the amoutnof power you are allowed to use is in some way limited by the number of believers you have (according to the oblivion war).. but it has little effect on the amount of actaul power a god has, i think.
that comes from:
-purpose
- sacrifices
-feeding (some gods may be able to feed thru worship)
-number of servants (?)
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I don't recall the Oblivion War implying anything like that ???. All Thomas said in Backup was that those beings are tied to the world through mortal knowledge. That's it. Nothing about power level or the ability to use it.
Anyways, while you are of course free to believe whatever you wish, I wouldn't state it as fact (like when you said that Mab was a god). Instead I think it would be better if you made it clear that it is your own opinion.
Ms Duck:
the vast majority of the information about the oblivion was isnt in the story itself, its in the WOJ. Heck, thomas and Lara dont even know they work for the archive. The oblivion war wa something jim thought was very nea, said he planned to put in but has now decided there is no room for it.
for example:
--- Quote ---I'm pretty sure this will never make it into the actual Dresden Files, since Harry has no idea the Oblivion War is happening, along with everyone else. So I'll share it here.
The Archive was constructed /for/ the Oblivion War. Specifically.
Yes, the Archive (and Ivy, the two aren't really divisible) know about these forgotten beings. The Archive is in essence the keeper of the dead, where they are concerned. Once the archive believes one of them has been consigned to oblivion, she holds on to the memory of that being briefly, for another thousand years or so, watching for any mention of that being in print in an effort to make sure that she is the /last/ person alive who remembers whichever hideous entity has been consigned.
And once the safety period has elapsed, and the Archive is confident that no one else remembers, she deletes the memory from the Archive. Bad guy, /gone/.
She also tries to keep track of the enemy players in the Oblivion War via watching for communications and so on. When she finds a trace of them, somewhere, she lets a cell of operatives (like Lara and Thomas) know what's up, through a blind drop, and sends them off to handle the problem.
The Oblivion War is a huge, /slow/ thing. Stuff happens every few decades, at most. That's why the Archive was created--to be an immortal awareness, something that could track and intelligently direct responses to the enemy in a war happening on an almost geological scale.
All that other stuff she says the Archive is for? Smoke and mirrors.
Kincaid, by the way, has no idea that the Oblivion War exists. It isn't like Ivy explains this stuff. She just gives orders.
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as to Mab's godness.. enh its up to you. Im just going by the books, and woj. Harry is very ambivalent on who is or who is not a god; he's 'theological switzerland'. Odin says he used to be a god, that the loons used to be but fell; while uriel disagrees. Jim, in his own words, refers to beings at the Mab level as "semi-divine".. aka a demi god. good enough for me.
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