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The Leather Duster time travel theory
wizard nelson:
--- Quote from: roteral on December 31, 2012, 08:02:32 AM ---I'm not too sure about that. A mantle is something that contains power and if a wizard is strong enough to be considered for the position of Merlin, they wouldn't need that power. I think we are putting to much importance on the existance of mantles. It would be kinda of cheap if every power up Jim gives to his characters was mantle based. If Harry isn't the Merlin, he wouldn't gain the Merlins power through a mantle. It would be more realistic if Harry obtains Merlins journels and learns from those
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the merlin wouldn't need merlins power? thats kinda backwards. i agree too much emphasis has been placed on the whole 'mantle' thing but the mantle represents a position, a seat of power and authority. that the position of merlin doesn't have its own mantle is highly unlikely. hell langtry could very well be cloaked in said mantle already and its just kept on the down low.
roteral:
Lol sorry if that confused you. Power in the form of a mantle is inherited, while power from a title is earned. THE Merlin of the White Council earns his power through training its not given to him from a mantle. Otherwise a regular human could be given the mantle and become super powerful without the training and discipline they would require to control it
madness:
Love the theory.
I would very much prefer this version of time travel than some plot trivializing traditional time travel nonsense where Harry completely changes something.
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I think it might be possible that sub-conscious Harry/future Harry was simply the earliest expression of Harry's pre-cog abilities.
Reading the scenes I always got the feeling that id Harry was much more like "potential future Harry" than like what you would expect just the id parts of Harry to look like.
wizard nelson:
--- Quote from: roteral on December 31, 2012, 08:43:05 AM ---Lol sorry if that confused you. Power in the form of a mantle is inherited, while power from a title is earned. THE Merlin of the White Council earns his power through training its not given to him from a mantle. Otherwise a regular human could be given the mantle and become super powerful without the training and discipline they would require to control it
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my point is it could have prerequisites to holding the mantle, like i'm sure the kringle mantle has a stipulation that he must perform christmas duties. an WK must follow winter law. the merlin mantle might require one to have a certain set of base principles one must already possess to claim it.
--- Quote from: madness on December 31, 2012, 09:20:20 AM ---plot trivializing traditional time travel nonsense where Harry completely changes something.
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Novikov self-consistency principle is the key.
wizard nelson:
--- Quote ---for example, a time traveler could rescue people from a disaster, and replace them with realistic corpses if history recorded that bodies of victims had been found. Provided that the rescuees were not known to have survived prior to the date that the time traveler stepped into the time machine (perhaps because they were taken forward in time to a later date, or because their identities were hidden), the time traveler's motivation to travel back in time and save them will be preserved. In this example, it must always have been true that the people were rescued by a time traveler and replaced with realistic corpses, and there would be no "original" history where they were actually killed, since the notion of changing the past is deemed impossible by the self-consistency principle.
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jim has a big enough geek penis to know how to use time travel effectively.
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