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The Leather Duster time travel theory
logistics:
--- Quote from: french engineer on December 30, 2012, 03:15:12 PM ---I'm sorry, but it seems to me a lot of your theory hinges on subconscious!Harry wearing the duster before the duster makes an appearance. Doesn't the new coat, the one that is definitely not the black leather duster, mean that the future!Harry you say is subconscious!Harry comes from before Cold days?
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From my understanding, the new coat looks very similar to the original leather duster with only a few minor cosmetic differences, but fits even better then the original. Which I take as additional evidence, actually now that I think about it.
From page 390-391 of Cold Days, the new coat description:
--- Quote ---I found myself smiling and held up a long coat of heavy black leather, like one of those old cowboy dusters, except for the long mantle hanging down over its shoulders. It smelled like new leather and shone without a scuff mark to be seen.
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The weight of the leather settling around me was familiar and comforting, but this coat wasn't the same as my old coat. The sleeves were a little longer, and fit better. The shoulders were a little narrower, and actually matched up with mine. The mantle hung down a bit more. The pockets were in a slightly different place.
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logistics:
--- Quote from: HistoryDave on December 30, 2012, 04:58:41 PM ---...
IF#1: Time travel via mental projection. The OP supposes that Harry was able to project himself back in time into the role of his own subconcious.
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Just to clarify, I don't honestly think that the Mysterious Figure (need to come up with a better name...how about Future!Harry) is actually in his own subconscious or influencing it in any way. I don't think Harry has ever talked to his own subconscious. Thinking back to my barely remembered psych courses, the entire idea of talking to your subconsciousness just doesn't seem plausible, even in a hypnotized state.
Personally, I think Future!Harry proposed the whole 'I am your Unconscious Mind' as a way to head off any speculation from Present!Harry into guessing what is going on. Future!Harry presumably knows how he thinks, and he's been notoriously non-introspective for almost the entire series. Getting him to think of his future self as some dark aspect of his mind would be exactly what a Future!Harry would want, as his own psychological hangups and defenses would shut down any deep thought on the matter. This allows Future!Harry to influence the past without anyone - especially his past self, noticing.
Ms Duck:
--- Quote ---Time travel via mental projection. The OP supposes that Harry was able to project himself back in time into the role of his own subconcious. I like this theory, mostly because of the cool factor, but the dialogue with Harry sounds a lot like a more experienced Harry offering advice to his younger self. Accepting that as apremise I started speculating about how this might be accomplished.
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this actualy fits into my own ideas of what a mantle is , and how it works.
I think the mantles, bob, the archive are essentially different versions of the same thing- programs/ databases made of pure infromation, and to some degree stored in the NN.
we know, from Jim, that other versions of Bob exist. We can speculate, from Jim's evil laugh, that some of them are much more impressive then Bob.
Bob's a PC. single system, stored in a single place, but pretty awesome
now whats the archive? its obviously not all in the head of that poor little girl, it wont fit. Its a network of some kind, with some parts in Ivy, some stored in her ancestors in the past, some potential in the future. this givers her some level of precogntion; thats why she got so upset about not being able to help harry in changes. Now lets go one step farther-
a cloud/ distributed system. imagine avst system, so large that no sinbgle person's past/ present/ future selves can possibly hold the thing. A system capable of calculating weather/ environemnt/ biological changes on a global scale. Imagine Giaia.
some part of it is hosted in mother winter, im sure. Some lesser part in Mab. Now some in Molly. But the same holds true for summer. Its all one ,mantle, just different aspects of split among the now six hosts.
Each person is a distinct entity, but each has access to the central server.. and the server has access to them, which is why they start to resemble twins even when they arent bioligicaly related at all; they are all different points on the same curve.
now Harry has some limtied access to this. He cant use it now, but in the future he might be able too, with propper experience and some soulfire to 'hack' the system.
he now has a tool for both seeing the future, and changing the past.. as long as hes damn carefull with it.
and so Priscellie can eyebrow me for calling myself a dumbass too, i shall now call myself a dumbass too because I just figured out how future Harry could have fixed little chicago. And why/how Molly's feelings could infleunce Mab. Shes part of the system now, after all.
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someone please tell this theory makes no sense at all :)
Rasins:
Ms. Duck,
I think your Model is flawed (as are most models of systems).
I do believe that everything of a certain bent has a connection. But I believe that free will throws a curve into the system that you don't take into consideration. I think that's the wild card in the whole system that isn't supposed to include humans. Maybe they are the "Users" (to take a term from Tron) of the system?
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
--- Quote from: Bakoro on December 30, 2012, 12:58:15 PM ---There's no way Tera West isn't going to come back. Her little Were-cub must be about 11 or so now? The Line Will Not End!
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Or so legend has it. Everything Chauncey says about that curse after "legend has it" could be a pack of lies that Chauncey is truthfully reporting was once told as a legend. So we have no solid reason to believe in it.
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