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Connections pt. 2: Suspect for SF-FM-BR-LH (Cold Days Spoilers)
Paladino:
If Love Hurt didn't happen after Turn Coat, I'd say Peabody was the perfect suspect..
Now, I'm not sure about Elaine, but I think she is on the level, she came really close to die on WN fighting against an outsider plan..
As for Luccio, I think the Gatekeeper took the oportunity to give her a good scam after the events on TC.
nick012000:
--- Quote from: Elegast on December 20, 2012, 08:20:27 AM ---Why no one talks of the Reds? IMHO, the most likely suspect. I'll post a most detailed answer later.
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Considering that the spell they were using in Changes was a fully-powered version of the same spell Sells was using, I definitely think that a Nemesis-infected Red Court vampire was behind him, at least.
Ms Duck:
--- Quote from: Cenphx on December 20, 2012, 02:23:33 AM ---I agree that other people may practice magic that is "delicate", but that's not the point. The point is that Jim uses this word specifically as a shorthand for Elaine. He does not use that tag for other people.
As for whether Harry should have recognized Luccio if he saw her in SF, he didn't recognize Martha Liberty when he saw her in SK, because he has limited contact with the WC. The first and only time before SK he was at a meeting, he had a bag over his head. The better question is why, when Harry saw Luccio again in DB, did he not remember her from SF? Harry's memory seems to have been futzed with any number of times. Whoever is responsible for these belts seems to be adept at mind magic. If they did not want Harry to remember something vital, I don't think he would.
That being said, my guesses about the suspects is weak, I know. I think the connections I've made between the various plots is really useful at eliminating certain people, but its not conclusive proof against anyone, at this point.
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Molly also gets the 'delicate' moniker, im afraid.
Im 90% certain that the actual creator of the belts, at least, is the erlking.
for these reasons:
his statements in changes about how he competes with those who interfere with his hunts
Jim's woj about how such competition is settled:
--- Quote ---All of which doesn't even TOUCH on the way power is actually balanced in Faerie, because neither Mab nor the Erlking would attempt such a thing, or /consider/ attempting such a thing. It would upset the natural order. Conflicts between most of the Fae powers are very subtle, and generally involve proxies, pride, sex or all of the above
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the fact we see in CD odin competeing with Erlking
Odin's connection to Marcone
The Erlking's connection to the FBI
a lost WOJ, in which someone (not me, may have been Landing I think) had put 2+2 together a few years back, and Jim had remarked on the forum that someone had figured it out. Jim , as i recall, did not say which theory was correct but many of us assumed from the timing and the comments that it was the Erlking one, largely because no one had suggested it before.
so that uneliminates the Erlking :D
on the other hand Im very impressed with what youve done so far. would you be able to redo your ideas under the assumption that Erlking made the belts, but someone else bargained for them, and see where it goes?
for example, we know the Red Court had an inside agent in the police department. w ealso know the reds and the erlking were not enemies prior to changes in any major fashion- he didnt just shoot them on sight.
it quite plausible that the person who made the belts was not the same person who did the open heart spell.. or even that the red court may have bought both from indpendant contractors.
;)
Elegast:
Here is a new WOJ found by Knnn in the LKH yahoo group, which may be relevant:
--- Quote from: jimbutcher on July 17, 2000, 02:44:00 PM ---Appearance: before or after losing the glamor? An Ash quote comes to mind "You got real ugly."
...it had a bat-like face, horrid and ugly, the head too big for its body. Gaping, hungry jaws. Its shoulders were hunched, powerful, and membranous wings stretched between the joints of its almost skeletal arms. Flabby black breasts hung before it, spilled out of the black dress that no longer did anything to make it look more feminine. Its eyes were wide, black, and staring, and a kind of leathery, slimy hide covered its flesh, like an inner tube lathered with Vaseline...
Powers: unknown, but enough to scare Harry who does things like float elevators on wind at the drop of a hat with a minor charm bracelet.
Their ability to mask themselves could potentially be used to look like someone else--or /you/, for that matter. They also have narcotic saliva that renders a victim passive while the vamp feeds, and is addictive and habit-forming, to boot. They get the standard vampire package of 'stronger and faster than you,' and Harry harbors some suspicions that looking one of them in the eyes could be bad for him and way bad for someone without his
kind of mental defenses.
That's only the Red Court's vampires, though, and they're just one of the vampire factions. They just happen to be the first ones Harry makes want to kill him. ;) The White Court, Black Court, and Jade Court are way different.
/shamelessselfpromotion off
Jim
LALA
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Cenphx:
@ Ms. Duck-I can see what you mean about the timing of that WoJ you mentioned. And I have no problem reevaluating my thinking on any of this. Idid think about 'what if there are 2 layers of suspects above the players we see', but that would lead to an endless series of combinations to consider and my 2 threads are already waa-a-y too long. Which is why I tried to look at whether one suspect could work for each plot. Variation on occams. I know that doesnt make it more accurate, but I was curious if it could work. And I think it could, with some hiccups.
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