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Connections pt. 2: Suspect for SF-FM-BR-LH (Cold Days Spoilers)
Ms Duck:
--- Quote from: Cenphx on December 20, 2012, 02:45:16 PM ---Ms. Duck- re Molly and her magic being labelled delicate, too. I think you are right. Sigh. Well, the evidence for Elaine isnt strong, other than that and she's a powerful female wizard and the female part isnt even necessary. In your theory, who do you think got the belts from the Erlking? How would you explain the connection to the love hurts belts? Did someone leanr how to make them based on the Erlkings design?
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mehtinsk they were bought. the sidhe love bargains, and they love causing a mess.
lets say the reds want help. who better to make a bargain with then the erlking? hes not exactly mr nice. and he keeps his deals. and it would have the added bonus of letting him annoy his rival, Odin.
his statement in changes was very oddly specifc to that point-
as to the tutur, im betting on mavra. she had a long standing plan to cause a war between the red court and the white council- they are both old enemies of hers- and we know shes involved.
knnn:
I am most intrigued by the WoJ:
--- Quote ---Q: Have we met the people who created the Hexenwolf belts yet?
A: That's another "I'm not gonna tell you" question. I will say, "kind of," "not really," and "yes." But we'll get into more of that during Cold Days as well.
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I don't see the second part referencing anything but Nemesis, that would fill out either "kind of" or "not really" (probably the latter). Not really sure who could be the "yes" part.
FWIW, I personally never saw the Erlking as the origin of the wofl-belts. There is a certain "demonic" vibe going on there, something I don't get at all from the Erlking.
Other options include:
- Arianna: Strong Raith and RC connection, but maybe not powerful enough as a wizard. Also unsure of why she would take an interest in Chicago so far back, unless she was following up on Maggie's progeny.
- Tessa: Certainly has the magical capability and a "demonic" background, but the Raith connection is weaker.
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Personally, I'd vote for Mavra.
- Per the first two books, there's someone going around giving people magical help, and then in GP we see Mavra onscreen helping out Bianca and Kravos.
- Mavra has a grudge against the Whites, so belts ain't a bad thing.
- One of the PG theories is that Sandra Marlin (person who suggest that Molly use fear) is an agent for someone trying get Molly to use black magic (same as Victor Sells and Kravos). Molly met Sandra at a homeless shelter, giving us a definitive Mavra connection. Note that this might be the connection Jim was referencing when he mentioned that "someone figured it out".
Cenphx:
I hope we learn more about the Black Court soon, especially about Mavra and her capabilities. If she was a wizard before she was turned, does the magic she does now still count as 'mortal'? I would guess not, but who knows? I will say, I dont think the motive of our suspect is RCV vs WCV, or BCV vs everyone else. I think we've seen exactly the goal--the dissemination of magic. Why? Im not sure. I wonder if it has something to do with making it easier for Outsiders to get in.
Elegast:
--- Quote from: knnn on December 20, 2012, 03:08:25 PM ---I am most intrigued by the WoJ:
I don't see the second part referencing anything but Nemesis, that would fill out either "kind of" or "not really" (probably the latter). Not really sure who could be the "yes" part.
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I had the same thoughts. The quote was made after Ghost Story, so the vast ajority of the culprits don't fit the "not really" requirement. That being said, it was a live interview, so I'm not sure if it is wise to parse every single word.
Ms Duck:
--- Quote from: knnn on December 20, 2012, 03:08:25 PM ---I am most intrigued by the WoJ:
I don't see the second part referencing anything but Nemesis, that would fill out either "kind of" or "not really" (probably the latter). Not really sure who could be the "yes" part.
FWIW, I personally never saw the Erlking as the origin of the wofl-belts. There is a certain "demonic" vibe going on there, something I don't get at all from the Erlking.
Other options include:
- Arianna: Strong Raith and RC connection, but maybe not powerful enough as a wizard. Also unsure of why she would take an interest in Chicago so far back, unless she was following up on Maggie's progeny.
- Tessa: Certainly has the magical capability and a "demonic" background, but the Raith connection is weaker.
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Personally, I'd vote for Mavra.
- Per the first two books, there's someone going around giving people magical help, and then in GP we see Mavra onscreen helping out Bianca and Kravos.
- Mavra has a grudge against the Whites, so belts ain't a bad thing.
- One of the PG theories is that Sandra Marlin (person who suggest that Molly use fear) is an agent for someone trying get Molly to use black magic (same as Victor Sells and Kravos). Molly met Sandra at a homeless shelter, giving us a definitive Mavra connection. Note that this might be the connection Jim was referencing when he mentioned that "someone figured it out".
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that woj can also be read as confirming erlking, as before cold days the connection between odin and the wild hunt was only suspected; now that the two are competitors for it is confirmed
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