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Mavra is Morgana le Fay by grandPanjandrum (CD Spoilers)
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--- Quote from: Ms Duck on December 23, 2012, 01:32:44 PM ---hmm..
the first any of us ever heard about the black court elders at all was in 2009, in a post about Mab:
which did cause a few questions that year:
now thos wasnt in answer to a question at all, he just chimed in a thread about the white court:
(now let me put out total word count of things Jim has just chimed in on for the blacks is now double about that for the whites, and infinite more than that about the reds- cause they got zero. in fact, the reds dont even have a section in the woj.)
oh, and here is jim just chiming in again.. without being asked..in a thread about using the word on mavra
and then theres all the little details issue. not just lash's last words- which are a very common trope in pulp mystery by the way ( the girl runs up to the detective " harvey, i know who shot the predsident! It was Mr. Sanp.." <bang! Bang! she falls dead.> "noooooo!")(then the detecive spends four books trying to find Mr. Snap.. snape? snapple? snappdragon?) but also:
-the merlin saying harry has no idea how bad it can get
-what happened on the isle in 1890
-who the last warden was
-why the whites betrayed the blacks, and how
-what mavra was up to in GP, BR, DB
-why eb dropped all those Nukes in the late 19th century
- what was the secret dinner (very likely in 1890) about
etc,etc,etc.. something very majoir happened back then
im not the only one putting this together. yall can put the pieces any way you want , please do. But the black court is up to something; thats why when somone else asked JIm if they were, he snarked
"im too lazy a writer to put this much work into them if I wasnt going to use them."
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I ignored the post about Mab because I didn't really see it helping the Black Court case all that much. He also mentions a bunch of other beings so it's not like he's specially mentioning the Black Court. Really, I see it as him seeing an opportunity to show people why everyone hated the Black Court so much.
I'm ignoring Jim answering questions because he has too. I mean, if someone asks something like: Can a Black Court vamp survive having his arm blown off? How is he going to answer that without mentioning the Black Court? If he answers questions about the Black Court over and over again, that doesn't point to anything except the fans being interested in the Black Court. Heck, if he wanted to use the BC Elders or the BC remnants further along in the books than it would have been more effective to be vague instead of going into so much detail. Leaving it to people to fill in the blanks themselves would get people more excited for the appearance of the Black Court.
When Jim posted in the WC thread he wasn't just throwing out BC tidbits. He was replying to critiques of his writing. If someone said something like "Why is Eb not murdering Lord Raith for killing Maggie" then Jim would reply to that. The subject matter doesn't matter (heh).
If you include the word count from the books (which is what I was doing. Sorry for the miscommunication) the mentions of the RC and the WC dwarfs mentions of the BC.
I think you may have something with the Mavra mention. A counter is that Jim did it because the information wasn't plot relevant and so he felt no need to keep quiet. It's like if someone . This would actually make it more likely that Harry threatening Mavra is not plot relevant (or else why would Jim just hop in and say something so straightforward? It would make more sense to let the mystery build up like he did with countless other plot-relevant mysteries)
It wasn't Lash's last words in which the Black Court were mentioned. It was Harry's words. That is a huge difference. How the heck does Harry know about the (supposed) connection between his mother and the Black Court? The only explanation I can think up is his wizardly precognition subconsciously influencing him.
We know why the Whites betrayed (how do you know they were allied in the first place?) and how they got rid of them ???. They got rid of them because the Blacks were getting too powerful. They got rid of them by getting Stoker to right Dracula.
The rest of the stuff can fit a huge number of other explanations. The Black Court explanation is just a drop in a pool.
I can't find that last WoJ. Can I get a link/quote?
wizard nelson:
mavra IS after thomas for a betrayal btw...
Ms Duck:
its lost, sorry
but its real. other folks remeber it... Serrack thinks its from a vidoe that gotten messed up, he wa slooking for it and a few others from that book talk a few weeks back.
as to what harry knows and what he doesnt know, well he doesnt tell us everything.
as to the import, let me look at it annother way:
as of WN, Jim had betas- Shecky and Priscellie at least- and they read each chapter as its written. they then edit, respond, sugest rewrites. then the completed product goes to the agent, and then on to the editors.. who all do the same.
soemthing like that? an of say 20 people who saw it before publishing, no one noticed? and of the ten million people who read it, then no one mentioned it so it could be corrected in the paperback?
yea, its a real clue bat. ;D
and while Mavra hasnt had a lot written about her in the books, she:
- set up biance in GP
-helped start the war
-did it in such a fashion at to prepare chicago for DB, four years later
- set up a compext plot in BR
-its very possible she was in town to set up the assination of lord raith, her old enemy
- took photos with which to black mail harry, before anyone knew about the word
- set up a very complex scheme in DB, for reasons we dont fully know
thats a lot of backstory, count
wizard nelson:
--- Quote ---as of WN, Jim had betas- Shecky and Priscellie at least- and they read each chapter as its written. they then edit, respond, sugest rewrites. then the completed product goes to the agent, and then on to the editors.. who all do the same.
soemthing like that? an of say 20 people who saw it before publishing, no one noticed? and of the ten million people who read it, then no one mentioned it so it could be corrected in the paperback?
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what precisely are you referring to?
Ms Duck:
--- Quote from: wizard nelson on December 23, 2012, 04:07:32 PM --- what precisely are you referring to?
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we are discussing the line in wn, pg 364
"after which we were going to have a long talk about my mother and these outsiders and there relation to the black court and exactly what the hell was going on."
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