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TheCuriousFan:

--- Quote from: madness on December 14, 2012, 07:27:33 AM ---I don't suppose you feel up to doing a calculation on the energy that Harry had to use in order to create the iceberg in Cold Days, do you?

Turning a 6 foot deep volume of water (I don't know the exact square footage of the portion of the building that fell into the lake but it was big enough to result in a very significant volume of water/ice) into ice should be one hell of a lot of energy.  Water doesn't like to change temperature easily. :(

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Speaking of iceburgs, I have to wonder why he didn't try to use the heat from the water he froze around Sharkface's barge to cook Sharkface.

madness:

--- Quote from: TheCuriousFan on December 14, 2012, 07:10:09 AM ---It's calcs like these that are the source of my "supernatural side stomps mortals in a fight" view....

And sure, if I get her full consent to do so in written form promising no form of vengeance (in more precise terms than that). Other than that, no way. ;D

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It seems obvious to me that starting somewhere around Mab's level of bad-assery that supernatural beings are far more limited by rules than they are by ability or internal power levels.

Once you have the power to will an end to life on earth the measuring of power becomes somewhat irrelevant.  Sort of like making bigger and bigger nuclear bombs.  Unless someone makes one that can split the Earth open like a gourd then it really doesn't matter if one nuke is more powerful than another.

madness:

--- Quote from: TheCuriousFan on December 14, 2012, 07:30:49 AM ---Speaking of iceburgs, I have to wonder why he didn't try to use the heat from the water he froze around Sharkface's barge to cook Sharkface.

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Opposite magic from what he did in White Night.

He didn't suck the heat energy out of the water (with the ice being a by-product of his magic) - he poured winter cold into the water (with the ice being the intended result).

BTW, does anyone else get a nifty 'fuel/air bomb' type of vision when reading some of the scenes where he is sucking power to use?  The lightning powered spell in Storm Front or the "sucking the heat out of things to power fire" spells in White Night as examples.

wizard nelson:

--- Quote from: TheCuriousFan on December 14, 2012, 07:30:49 AM ---Speaking of iceburgs, I have to wonder why he didn't try to use the heat from the water he froze around Sharkface's barge to cook Sharkface.

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good point, he does it quite nicely in changes. maybe cause he's not moving ambient energy but creating cold power this time? it wouldn't have amounted to alot. plus has he been using fire much at all in CD?

madness:
I think in Cold Days Harry was *powering* the creation of the ice. 

In the previous examples he was stealing power from the environment and the ice was just a byproduct.

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