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wyltok:
... And here I thought Odin (or rather, Kringle) is Mab's source of foresight.
Ms Duck:
--- Quote from: Elegast on December 13, 2012, 07:13:13 PM ---Sure.
But Knnn's point was that moving air doesn't require that much energy. According to chaos theory a small effect at the right place and the right moment can have huge consequences (propriety of many non-linear dynamic systems). The way I see it, Mab acts like a weird force of gravity: imagine if each cold molecule of air had a very, very slightly bigger chance of moving in Mab's direction? In 6 months it would have an important impact on the weather (as it's a chaotic system after 7-14 days), with a small expenditure of power.
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I understand, but chaos theory and domino effect do not apply in this case. in order to work, such forces have to apply to a balanced system- something where a small push can set off a chain reaction.. for example, using a small bomb to change the pressure slightly in an active volcano system to cause a controlled eruption.
please note, the eruption will occur sooner or later anyway, the bomb simply changes the when and how. the power in the system was allready there- the original 'butterfly effect' was termed by physicst Lorenz due to the theory that the butterfly flapping its wings could change the path of a tornado, not to let it create one out of thin air.
a butterfly effect or domino effect cannot be used to explain the effects of GS as A: there was no such system in place and B: it was a local effect only.
if there is no tornado occuring, no numbers of butterflies flapping could ever create one.
knnn:
--- Quote from: Ms Duck on December 13, 2012, 09:46:02 PM ---if there is no tornado occuring, no numbers of butterflies flapping could ever create one.
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Thing is, Tornadoes, Hurricanes, et al. are always being created. The only thing that stops them from turning into the likes of Hurricane Sandy is that they are generally destroyed (i.e. friction with other systems) before they get pick up enough energy. If Mab made sure to nurture one of these proto-hurricanes (or heck, even create one herself - they are not that powerful when they start off), then soon enough it will grow up to be big by itself. I.e. butterflies.
Edit: Look at this quote from Wikipedia (emphasis mine)
--- Quote ---Note that the butterfly does not power or directly create the tornado. The flap of the wings is a part of the initial conditions; one set of conditions leads to a tornado while the other set of conditions doesn't.
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So yes, a single butterfly can move around starting conditions so that a tornado suddenly occurs where before it wouldn't have.
wizard nelson:
--- Quote from: Ms Duck on December 13, 2012, 04:48:19 PM ---yah its my less favorites as well.. I like the book but i dont like the ending, having this whole emotional lead up too 'find your killer' and it turns out ' its a shadow, sorry you cant knwo which one.' was a let down.
;D
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point of fact harry never bothered to ask which shadow it was, the dolt >:(
'you must ask the right questions' is prominent in several things(other series, movies)
Ms Duck:
--- Quote from: knnn on December 13, 2012, 09:55:42 PM ---Thing is, Tornadoes, Hurricanes, et al. are always being created. The only thing that stops them from turning into the likes of Hurricane Sandy is that they are generally destroyed (i.e. friction with other systems) before they get pick up enough energy. If Mab made sure to nurture one of these proto-hurricanes (or heck, even create one herself - they are not that powerful when they start off), then soon enough it will grow up to be big by itself. I.e. butterflies.
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ok, ill duck out on this one. youre missing the whole point and then half.. conservation of energy in the DF does still apply. any secnario you ahve metioned would cause worldwide changes, whcih is not what happened. You dont like my conclusions, fine. you dont have too.
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