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Elegast:
--- Quote from: Ms Duck on December 13, 2012, 09:46:02 PM ---if there is no tornado occuring, no numbers of butterflies flapping could ever create one.
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Yes and no. :D
If tornadoes never happens, then yes butterflies do nothing.
If there is a tornado one year out of two, then a butterfly may change which year it happens.
In the real world, weather is changing, with colds spells and hot ones. If Mab is somewhere, all the cold ones will come near her.
Elegast:
--- Quote from: Ms Duck on December 13, 2012, 09:59:53 PM ---ok, ill duck out on this one. youre missing the whole point and then half.. conservation of energy in the DF does still apply. any secnario you ahve metioned would cause worldwide changes, whcih is not what happened. You dont like my conclusions, fine. you dont have too.
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It would create worldwide changes, but very minor: the rest of the world would be very slightly hotter. The law of conservation of energy is conserved.
knnn:
--- Quote from: Ms Duck on December 13, 2012, 09:59:53 PM ---ok, ill duck out on this one. youre missing the whole point and then half.. conservation of energy in the DF does still apply. any secnario you ahve metioned would cause worldwide changes, whcih is not what happened. You dont like my conclusions, fine. you dont have too.
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Fair enough.
I think you are wrong on the hurricane angle, but I will admit that I'm less convinced of my stance regarding the snow in Chicago during Summer. I personally don't think Harry would have noticed worldwide changes if they had occurred (he was busy), but this is certainly a point I have to work around.
Regarding conservation of energy, what if Mab simply opens a portal to Arctis Tor for a few months? The temperature there is so low that it is bound to cool off the surrounding areas. Add in a bit of thermodynamics and you get snow at minimal cost.
wizard nelson:
--- Quote from: knnn on December 13, 2012, 10:13:28 PM ---Fair enough.
I think you are wrong on the hurricane angle, but I will admit that I'm less convinced of my stance regarding the snow in Chicago during Summer. I personally don't think Harry would have noticed worldwide changes if they had occurred (he was busy), but this is certainly a point I have to work around.
Regarding conservation of energy, what if Mab simply opens a portal to Arctis Tor for a few months? The temperature there is so low that it is bound to cool off the surrounding areas. Add in a bit of thermodynamics and you get snow at minimal cost.
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since arctis tor is the wellspring for winter, she kinda did in a roundabout way. she drew power from her strong places to fuel the may winter. this brings up the question, is mab stronger when she draws from arctis tor like harry is with DR. its totally possible she could create that connection while elsewhere btw. like i think harry will do with his new staff.
Ms Duck:
--- Quote from: knnn on December 13, 2012, 10:13:28 PM ---Fair enough.
I think you are wrong on the hurricane angle, but I will admit that I'm less convinced of my stance regarding the snow in Chicago during Summer. I personally don't think Harry would have noticed worldwide changes if they had occurred (he was busy), but this is certainly a point I have to work around.
Regarding conservation of energy, what if Mab simply opens a portal to Arctis Tor for a few months? The temperature there is so low that it is bound to cool off the surrounding areas. Add in a bit of thermodynamics and you get snow at minimal cost.
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that was the second calculation.. shed have to bring in 6,535,600 Kg of cold air, and maintain it to equalize the required pressure drop.( ammount would have to constantly refreshed at a rate determined by the pressure differnce (in degrees k)(to the fourth power) and area of surface action) (it would have to be very fast) (yall can do that math, assume a hemisphere with a volume of the city of chicago...)(ive done enough math) (lol)
I still think from a purely physics point of view, just 'making things colder' by use of some magic cold force is much cheaper energy wise then either bringing in tons of cold air, or diverting large scale climate forces, or any of the other suggestions... consideirng bleed off, youre talking about bringing in the equivalent of an empire state building a day there (365,000,000 kg)
and when it comes down on it, do you realy want to mess with a being that could toss an empire state building at you? shes still many bhundreds of times stronger then all the white council put together.. much like Jim said.
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