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[Spoilers for all books] Theories index
Elegast:
--- Quote from: Cenphx on December 14, 2012, 01:20:57 AM ---I feel like I am nitpicking you to death (like being nibbled to death by ducks, no offense to Ms. Duck). Do you want input like this or is it driving you crazy?
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No you're right: proper attribution is really important, but it's really hard so I just guess with a quick search, until someone corrects me. :)
kytheros:
--- Quote from: Ms Duck on December 14, 2012, 01:09:46 AM ---I rember three - Harry not being fully human- but my ideas on it have been pretty fully discredited by now ( Jim said Oberon is dead, and my idea that Lea was Maggie sr 's mom is also toast)
anyone who wants to rebuild it after I got totaly flattened/trashed/ proved wrong is more than welcome to try :D
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Harry not being fully human would have to either be from the paternal side, or something that Maggie LeFay had as well, and probablly Eb McCoy too, though likely they would have been unaware of their nonhuman side.
If, as the speculation goes, McCoy/Maggie/Dresden are blood descendants of Merlin (not just master/apprentice descendants), that's likely the most probable source for being partially nonhuman through Maggie, as in a whole lot of tales Merlin is some variety of nonstandard/partial human.
I think that Jim's precise wording regarding Oberon's fate was that he "didn't make it" ... which certainly implies that he's dead ... but I suppose he could be locked up somewhere unpleasant (Demonreach?) and unable to escape Mab/Titania's wrath.
Serack:
--- Quote from: wizard nelson on December 13, 2012, 09:36:35 PM ---its just that, for instance, five seconds after reading MS saying 'we' i said 'gaia'. i also declared wizards to have fae blood, without reading any threads about it. its cool an all i'm not a glory hog, i just wanted to point it out.
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This is why I think that many of these indexed theories shouldn't be cited to a "single" theorizer. Another example is that probably a majority of people who heard the WoJ about both Lasciel and Lash being in GS by other names immediately thought of the shadow for Lasciel, then vascillated between proxies in the graveyard and the Parasite for Lash. IMO nobody owns/originated those theories because they are pratically self evident, however they do belong in the "Index" and it is nice to have a "reference" thread to associate with them that discusses all the merrits and evidence behind them since the index should be as brief as possible.
As someone who has built a few reference threads, there are a few grey areas for this concept for me. The theory about something being fishy with Mort's hair and domicile is something that I find rather self evident, but I'm rather confident that I am the first person to point it out publically. However, in the reference/source I most recently built to cover it, I acknoledged (Probably obliquely, I haven't reviewed it lately though) that the Beta's were aware of it before I was, and thus it isn't origional to me. This is the best way I know of to deal with these grey areas. That is, to have a "Reference"/"Source" link in the index that also acknoledges the other contributions to the theory.
This also goes a long ways towards furthering the forum policy Elegast pointed out earlier:
--- Quote -----Acknowledge other people, assume good will, be quick to praise and slow to criticize, add knowledge, offer help, be slow to anger, apologize when wrong, politely ask for clarification, and exercise patience when your temper flares.
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The application of which is one of the reasons why these boards are such a great corner of the interwebs.
Elegast:
--- Quote from: Serack on December 14, 2012, 02:59:01 PM ---This is why I think that many of these indexed theories shouldn't be cited to a "single" theorizer.
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It's a very difficult problem. Scientists spent hundreds of years trying to solve it, so we are not going to find a perfect solution anyway.
The problem is that many theories fit the same lifecycle: they start as a single sentence in a thread, then there are many discussion threads of increasingly high quality, then comes a discussion which is so good that all the info on the subject is gathered, then comes a reference thread which wrap-up everything in a single post. For the Blackstaff, the entire cycle took less than three weeks. Who should we credit?
I credited no one, as you can see, for the most basic assumption (Blackstaff is MW's walking stick), but I gave credit for derivative theories (MW is Death, Blackstaff=raven Banner). That's a very subjective process, any idea on how to improve it is welcome.
Serack:
--- Quote from: Elegast on December 14, 2012, 03:24:14 PM ---It's a very difficult problem. Scientists spent hundreds of years trying to solve it, so we are not going to find a perfect solution anyway.
The problem is that many theories fit the same lifecycle: they start as a single sentence in a thread, then there are many discussion threads of increasingly high quality, then comes a discussion which is so good that all the info on the subject is gathered, then comes a reference thread which wrap-up everything in a single post. For the Blackstaff, the entire cycle took less than three weeks. Who should we credit?
I credited no one, as you can see, for the most basic assumption (Blackstaff is MW's walking stick), but I gave credit for derivative theories (MW is Death, Blackstaff=raven Banner). That's a very subjective process, any idea on how to improve it is welcome.
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Oh, lemebeclear, I think you are doing a great job, I just wanted to point all that out for the sake of all the citation suggestions that have been coming out.
This is a huge project that you are taking on, and the index framework that you have hashed out works really well (some committee input did take place, but you are the executor, and get to take ownership of the awesomeness of the results :) )
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