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[CD spoilers] Mother Winter, the Blackstaff, Death and the Raven Banner
Elegast:
--- Quote from: cmprostreet on December 07, 2012, 09:28:16 PM ---Elegast,
I'm with you on nearly every piece of this, but I had a different take on the Blackstaff.
My mind took:
MW's missing walking stick,
WOJ on the Blackstaff preventing insanity,
Outsiders/Nemesis' tendency to cause insanity,
Winter's current purpose (defending against Outsiders), and
[I forgot who]'s theory that the Laws of Magic exist to prevent Outsiders from gaining influence...
...and cooked up the FrankenWAGTM that the Blackstaff is specifically a defense against Outsiders' ability to exploit openings made by violations of the Laws of Magic (among other things).
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That's... a really great idea! And it made me realize something that should have been obvious: if Knnn's theory that that the Laws of Magic exist to prevent Outsiders from gaining influence, then Harry, who has a special immunity to Outsider mental attacks, may be able to violate the Laws without becoming mad! A living Blackstaff!
--- Quote ---If this is the case, I doubt anyone on the WC knows MW's walking stick's true purpose (i.e. allowing Death itself to walk freely among the Outsiders without being vulnerable to their corruption), save maybe for Rashid. If Rashid had ever confronted Eb about returning the Blackstaff, that could explain the apparent breakdown in trust between them that Eb refers to in PG*.
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Possible, but I don't think so: Rashid was already alive (he took down the mad Arab around 700 AD) when the WC stole the Blackstaff (1065 AD). He could have objected far sooner. I think that the Gatekeeper suspected Eb to be infected when he came up with his grey council conspiration. In TC he clearly thinks that Harry may be infected, and he uses his eye to check. Eb knows about Rashid's suspicions, that why he asks Harry if the Gatekeeper is on their side.
--- Quote ---*Also, in a rare double-whammy post, I don't believe that Eb created the Grey Council sometime between PG and TC in response to his conversation with Harry at the end of PG, as others have posted elsewhere. At the very beginning of PG, Eb tells Harry he's already begun organizing a group of people he trusts- I think the GC predates Harry telling Eb about the BC theory.
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Ah. I had never thought of it, but you're probably right. It was used as a way to justify Mab's actions in PG, now that we know Molly's fate it's no longer necessary.
--- Quote ---Lastly, if Mother Winter is Death, does that make Mother Summer Taxes?
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;D
jyn8462:
I don't think MS is Death, not really she might be part of the aspect of death for mortals, or she could be a goddess (or as near as a pure force of nature can be) of death like the Fate was, but I'm not convinced she's Death. I mean if she was wouldn't she have to move around a lot? She lost her walking stick but that hasn't harmed her purpose at all, nor limited her from it.
Though a fun fact the stories (IIRC) of the fates in Norse Myth were they were all blind and the three of them shared one eye given/taken/bargained from Odin. Which would be another link to winter for Odin. He and MS could have had a fight and well....cleaver...though you'd think it would be on display somewhere in the cottage...
Elegast:
--- Quote from: jyn8462 on December 07, 2012, 10:24:31 PM ---I don't think MS is Death, not really she might be part of the aspect of death for mortals, or she could be a goddess (or as near as a pure force of nature can be) of death like the Fate was, but I'm not convinced she's Death. I mean if she was wouldn't she have to move around a lot?
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I don't think so. She probably has intellectus for all matters related to death, so in a sense she's there, but no need to come in person. Arthropos (one of her name), did her job with her shears without leaving her home.
Elegast:
Just wanted to quote this post, which may solve the 'our' problem, and seems to be the first saying Death=MW:
--- Quote from: Dust Bunny on November 28, 2012, 09:02:43 AM ---I also have to agree with the Gaia hypothesis. Having the Summer Lady as Clothos would unbalance Summer and Winter.
Gaia has two sides--light and dark, life and death. Or, as Ian Anderson sings (slightly adjusted as necessary for this case), "he who made kittens put snakes in the grass."
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TheCuriousFan:
--- Quote from: Elegast on December 07, 2012, 10:01:15 PM ---That's... a really great idea! And it made me realize something that should have been obvious: if Knnn's theory that that the Laws of Magic exist to prevent Outsiders from gaining influence, then Harry, who has a special immunity to Outsider mental attacks, may be able to violate the Laws without becoming mad! A living Blackstaff!
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One problem, he apparently had problems controlling himself like he does now when he had just killed Justin, so not completely avoiding the consequences.
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