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[CD spoilers] Mother Winter, the Blackstaff, Death and the Raven Banner
wyltok:
--- Quote from: Serack on December 07, 2012, 05:06:24 PM ---With regards to Odin's Kringle mask.
I'm not sure but wasn't it said near the beginning of the book that some of the powerful beings that run around mucking it up on Halloween wear masks disguising them as beings they aren't?
That is, just because Odin was wearing a Kringle mask on Halloween, could mean it was a blatant disguise, not that that is one of his jobs.
I'm not convinced, and I'd have to reread some of CD to be more sure, but I think it is possible that some of you guys might have the wrong idea here.
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Yes, Bob mentions that the reason why the third Merlin created the concept of Halloween was exactly because it would make immortals wary of attacking disguised mortals since they couldn't be sure that the person under the mask might not be as mortal as they originally thought.
Had Kringle not appeared at Harry's party and told us he was going hunting with the Summer King, I would be partial to the idea that Odin was merely wearing a mask. But since these events happened, plus Kringle's comment to Harry that even Immortals have to evolve or die (later reinforced by Bob's comment that Immortals have to go out on that night in order to do their equivalent of feeding), I am fairly confident that Kringle is a mantle as well as a mask.
TheRaven:
--- Quote from: Serack on December 06, 2012, 06:24:54 PM ---I'm not sure where to fit it into any theories, but something that really sticks out to me with Mother Winter has stuck out in more than one spot:
What kind of Fairy can handle rusty shears and has iron false teeth?
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Normally I lurk, but when I saw this, and I read about Mother Winter's false teeth I was instantly reminded of Baba Yaga who according to some legends has iron false teeth.
http://www.oldrussia.net/baba.html
TheCuriousFan:
--- Quote from: Serack on December 07, 2012, 05:06:24 PM ---With regards to Odin's Kringle mask.
I'm not sure but wasn't it said near the beginning of the book that some of the powerful beings that run around mucking it up on Halloween wear masks disguising them as beings they aren't?
That is, just because Odin was wearing a Kringle mask on Halloween, could mean it was a blatant disguise, not that that is one of his jobs.
I'm not convinced, and I'd have to reread some of CD to be more sure, but I think it is possible that some of you guys might have the wrong idea here.
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Kringle did make a comment that lots of immortals run around wearing other masks or mantles on Halloween night if that's what you're after (and Bob made a comment about how masks on Halloween for mortals mean that immortals can't be sure that it's not another immortal under the mask).
jlayne:
Very interesting theory.
jyn8462:
--- Quote from: knnn on December 07, 2012, 04:15:33 PM ---I hear what you are saying, but the notion of MW switching using her false teeth as the different mantles sounds soooo awesome. ;)
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I agree that does sound awesome, and the idea of her as some aspect of death, or at least some how the inspiration for mortals to create this avitar of death does sound awesome. However while the name of Death does fit for MW, it's not even close for MS and she did say 'our' so the name has to fit both, and just saying life and death are two different things is both a cop out, and two DIFFERENT names.
--- Quote from: TheCuriousFan on December 07, 2012, 05:45:06 PM ---Kringle did make a comment that lots of immortals run around wearing other masks or mantles on Halloween night if that's what you're after (and Bob made a comment about how masks on Halloween for mortals mean that immortals can't be sure that it's not another immortal under the mask).
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I'm still not convinced that the mask of kringle isn't just that, a mask that Odin wears sometimes. Maybe he oly ever interacts with Fae as kringle so as to be involved, but not intruding, that would fit with the WoJ about how the King of Winter being a wlyd fae that just interacts without staking territory. He has a certain power that he brings to it (thus granting him respect from the fae), he doesn't get involved with their power struggles (cuz he's mostly retired god, so he don't give a ****), he is undeniably related some how to winter in one way or another, hell for all we know waaaaaaaaaaaay back when he and Mab were actually related back before he and she both became what they are now. I mean hell maybe he's her Daddy or something (think about it, can you imagine the man who would survive getting down with Mother Iron Teeth?).
Or really scarey thought, maybe all the old immortals, are family in one way or another. Like the old gods and such creatures are all related some how. I mean I know the red king was only the way he was because of a powerful spirit from the nevernever that had like infected him or something, but still godly powerful and such.
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