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[CD spoilers] Mother Winter, the Blackstaff, Death and the Raven Banner

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Dust Bunny:

--- Quote from: Bujin on December 07, 2012, 02:53:02 PM ---What if keeping the Blackstaff also enables him to similarly resist the influences of being the Winter Knight (and perhaps Lash?).
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Actually, that would (for me) cheapen the books a bit. Harry is a hero because he resisted the temptations all by himself. If the Blackstaff did all the work for him, then the books are about Harry's magical toys, rather than about Harry.


--- Quote ---It would enable him to wield all the various powers he's picked up without falling prey to the Dark Side.

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The Blackstaff gives one the ability to resist cookies? ;D

knnn:

--- Quote from: Elegast on December 07, 2012, 02:26:19 PM ---No. MW is Death.

There are four horsemen of the apocalypse:


* Conquest
* War
* Death
* Famine
No matter how hard you try, there is no way you can match each set of teeth with one rider.

But if MW is Death, then she's one of the rider. And those riders are described in the book of the Revelations: here is the description of Death:
According to the Bible, Death has four ways to kill mortals during the Apocalypse:  sword, famine, plague and wild beast. Try to match with the set of teeth, and you'll see it fits perfectly.

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Well, at least according to one interpretation, the four riders are War, Death, Pestilence, Famine.

Thus, you get:


* iron teeth = War
* rotted-looking = Pestilence
* pointed teeth = Death (ok, that one is a little far-fetched - beast is better)
* simple enough, all white and even = Famine
I hear what you are saying, but the notion of MW switching using her false teeth as the different mantles sounds soooo awesome.   ;)

Elegast:

--- Quote from: knnn on December 07, 2012, 04:15:33 PM ---Well, at least according to one interpretation, the four riders are War, Death, Pestilence, Famine.

Thus, you get:


* iron teeth = War
* rotted-looking = Pestilence
* pointed teeth = Death (ok, that one is a little far-fetched - beast is better)
* simple enough, all white and even = Famine
I hear what you are saying, but the notion of MW switching using her false teeth as the different mantles sounds soooo awesome.   ;)

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I'm not really convinced. Pestilence is not in the Bible as a rider, and even with that it's hard to make it fit (pointed teeth with flesh = Death?).

Serack:
With regards to Odin's Kringle mask.

I'm not sure but wasn't it said near the beginning of the book that some of the powerful beings that run around mucking it up on Halloween wear masks disguising them as beings they aren't?

That is, just because Odin was wearing a Kringle mask on Halloween, could mean it was a blatant disguise, not that that is one of his jobs.

I'm not convinced, and I'd have to reread some of CD to be more sure, but I think it is possible that some of you guys might have the wrong idea here.

Elegast:

--- Quote from: Serack on December 07, 2012, 05:06:24 PM ---That is, just because Odin was wearing a Kringle mask on Halloween, could mean it was a blatant disguise, not that that is one of his jobs.

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I'm not sure, but the discussion in chapter 5 (I can't quote more than a few words from a Kindle book...), plus this quote:

--- Quote from: Changes ---Vadderung laughed again. He had a hearty laugh, like Santa Claus must have had when he was young and playing football.
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gives me the impression he's really Kringle.

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