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TruffleMuffin:

--- Quote from: THE_ANGRY_GAMER on December 04, 2012, 06:56:53 PM ---From here, it seems the entire plot of TDF is a giant, decades-long game of chess between Mab and Nemesis, with Uriel on the side giving advice/subtle help. Jim Butcher is a F***ing genius.

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Longer, I would posit the WOJ regarding how Margaret could of gotten a lot better deal out of Lea is because Lea was there at Mabs bidding. A kind of cut out, attempting to get some link to a 'Starborn' without anyone realising how important it was. Margaret making a deal with Lea to be a Godmother is one thing, Margaret making a deal with Mab to be a Godmother is a whole other kettle of fish.

Mab later bargaining for Harry from Lea just after she gets the Athame. Perhaps Mab see that she may lose Harry to the Adversary through Leas corruption and acts to prevent that from happening. More than just trying to get three favours out of our favourite wizard, she is bargaining for a 'Starborn' to be her Knight. Side note, could have been she didnt actually bargain anything here, could of just been an arrangement between Lea and Mab when Lea originally bargained with Margaret.

I suspect perhaps it may have been the fact Harry was to be a 'Starborn' that would of allowed Margaret to bargain for such immense benefit, and had she realised the significance (perhaps she couldn't see past the Sidhes game at the time considering being on the run from White Council and White Court and perhaps others) of her sons birth to bargain for more.

pharthead:
bargain for more?  Lea has been protected Harry for 40 years.  That doesn't seem like something cheap to me. 

wyltok:
This is a really cool analysis. A couple of things ocurred to me while reading it.

- Mab's first action was not declaring Harry her emissary, but rather, extending winter for as long as she did (May, wasn't it?). It would suggest that either the construction of the entrapment circle in Demonreach took quite a bit of time and testing, or that she acted first. Which poses the question: why did she choose the particular time she did to declare him her emissary? At a guess, I would propose that it was intended to ensure that Harry wouldn't forego going to Michael for help.

- It would be best not to underestimate the chess-playing skill of the Denarians, even without taking into account anything Nemesis himself was up to. They each have a Fallen on their head. Granted, not all Fallen are created equal, but still, these are the kinds of guys who manipulated Harry just by using 7 words.

- Considering the amount of time it took Harry to identify the Gruffs, I can buy the idea that the Calvin and Hobbes book was placed so that Harry would be able to identify the hobs in time. Since we now know the fae can pass a threshold when they mean well, it was probably even Mab or one of her allies who did it (I kinda want it to have been Grimalkin, myself).

- I agree that Mab probably did not plan for Harry to make it into the Shedd. I suspect, however, that Uriel did. Like Mr. Sunshine said, he could have exerted his influence in a short term solution (like making sure Harry didn't make it into the sign in time, similar to how Michael never has trouble finding a babysitter) instead of giving him soulfire, and things would have been much simpler. Instead, Mr. Sunshine, as he himself admitted, chose to plan for the long game. There's a reason Mab likes him.

- With Jim's latest post in these here forums, we know that Ivy's claim of Neutrality is a lie, one even Kincaid isn't aware of. It's merely her cover. So her giving Harry a clue can't be used as proof of contagion by Nemesis.

- You know what's interesting? When Uriel gave Harry soulfire, it resulted in Thorned Namshiel being broken, making him unable to walk. I could be wrong, but I suspect that was specifically done so that Thorned Namshiel could not participate directly in Ivy's torture, and wouldn't be capable of infecting her with Nemesis.

*Joins Uriel Fan Club*

Elegast:

--- Quote from: wyltok on December 07, 2012, 10:34:57 PM ---- Mab's first action was not declaring Harry her emissary, but rather, extending winter for as long as she did (May, wasn't it?). It would suggest that either the construction of the entrapment circle in Demonreach took quite a bit of time and testing, or that she acted first. Which poses the question: why did she choose the particular time she did to declare him her emissary? At a guess, I would propose that it was intended to ensure that Harry wouldn't forego going to Michael for help.

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You're making a small confusion with GS:

--- Quote from: SmF ---Winter came early that year; it should have been a tip-off.

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--- Quote from: SmF ---“If they were very close, I’d know it. They’re probably spread out in a loose ring, watching who comes and goes,” I said. “The gruffs don’t really want to kick my apartment door down—not yet, at any rate. They’d rather fight where there won’t be collateral damage. But I’ve got a feeling that they aren’t at their best in all this snow.”
Molly frowned. “You think Mab is influencing the weather for you?”
“Maybe the ongoing record snowfall is a coincidence,” I said. “But if so, it’s awfully convenient.”
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She didn't extend winter, she made it come sooner. So Nemesis acted first.


--- Quote ---- You know what's interesting? When Uriel gave Harry soulfire, it resulted in Thorned Namshiel being broken, making him unable to walk. I could be wrong, but I suspect that was specifically done so that Thorned Namshiel could not participate directly in Ivy's torture, and wouldn't be capable of infecting her with Nemesis.

*Joins Uriel Fan Club*
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That's a great idea.

Fits well with that quote:

--- Quote --- “The Watchman and I,” Grimalkin mewled for her, “had a common enemy this day. The enemy could not be allowed to gain the power represented by the child Archive.”
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wyltok:

--- Quote from: Elegast on December 07, 2012, 10:48:07 PM ---You're making a small confusion with GS:
She didn't extend winter, she made it come sooner. So Nemesis acted first.
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...whoops. My bad. Still, my point is, Mab first action, even before declaring Harry her emissary, was messing with the weather. Question is, which came first, the weather, or the entrapment circle in Demonreach?

Another idea I had for for Mab declaring Harry her emissary is that it could be a "polite" (well, for Mab" way of letting the forces of Heaven that she was going to involve someone on her side in the events of the book.

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