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[CD spoilers] Small Favor
Serack:
--- Quote from: wildfire393 on December 04, 2012, 02:35:12 AM ---“You’re telling me that this is why Mab has her power? To . . . to protect the borders?” “To protect all of you from the Outsiders, mortal.” “Then why does Titania have hers?” I asked. “To protect all of you from Mab.” I swallowed. “Titania cannot match Mab’s forces, but she can drag Mab personally into oblivion with her— and Mab knows it. Titania is the check to her power, the balance.”
The way I'm reading this, Titania has an *obligation* to oppose Winter when it comes to any actions taken within our reality. It's as much her duty as guarding the Outer Gates are Mab's.
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I like this much better than the "no matter what that is." However if their communication has broken down, it makes it harder to make the distinction.
--- Quote from: Shamshiel on December 04, 2012, 04:01:02 AM ---Nemesis's power to influence people is limited. It can't bend them into something totally opposite of what they were. From what we've seen of it so far, it removes some of your natural restrictions, gives you "free" will, and nudges you down roads where your desire or ambition is already leading, but common sense or the order of things keeps you from pursuing. I don't have the book on me, but Nemesis is cited in tons and tons of mortal cases of just this.
Aurora didn't become an evil Winter Fae. She wanted to do something fundamentally inline with her character: end suffering, out of kindness.
Maeve didn't become kind and gentle. She remained selfish and conniving - but Nemesis spurred that selfishness to madness.
Nemesis pushed Aurora as far as she could go.
Now what I think is notable is that Nemesis does this and pushes people toward evil ends, whatever their intentions.
...and a wizard by the name of Harry Dresden also has done the same thing to the shadows of Fallen angels, Marcone, and wildfae, but for noble ends.
Harry is the anti-Nemesis.
EDIT: !!!!!!
Harry himself does this - he does crazy things and exercises free will etc. to do good/noble things (and its contagious.) That's what made him special. The doll/nature spirirt he summoned - it knew about it. If you recall, it asked him WHY he lives the way he does, because the WHY was VERY VERY important.
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Heck yah. Maybe that's the true power of a starborn. I've always leaned towards the power of a starborn being to use their will to exert their version of reality over an outsider's assertion of outside reality over our own. Maybe these 2 abilities can be coupled...
Ezakra:
--- Quote from: Shamshiel on December 04, 2012, 04:01:02 AM ---Nemesis's power to influence people is limited. It can't bend them into something totally opposite of what they were. From what we've seen of it so far, it removes some of your natural restrictions, gives you "free" will, and nudges you down roads where your desire or ambition is already leading, but common sense or the order of things keeps you from pursuing.
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^^ This
But...
Cat Sith, there was total "Borg" Like domination of the Cat Sith.
Others though, I entirely agree. Victor Sells all the way through to the porn star death cult, they were pursuing their own aims, but the infection allowed or spurred them on to taking the efforts to the extreme
THE_ANGRY_GAMER:
--- Quote from: Ezakra on December 04, 2012, 05:57:26 PM ---^^ This
But...
Cat Sith, there was total "Borg" Like domination of the Cat Sith.
Others though, I entirely agree. Victor Sells all the way through to the porn star death cult, they were pursuing their own aims, but the infection allowed or spurred them on to taking the efforts to the extreme
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Maybe that's because Cat Sith was in the early stages, or because Starborn-Harry was *right there* and the infection didn't yet have enough of a hold to fully maintain control.
From here, it seems the entire plot of TDF is a giant, decades-long game of chess between Mab and Nemesis, with Uriel on the side giving advice/subtle help. Jim Butcher is a F***ing genius.
*Joins Mab Fan Club*
knnn:
Remember that Cat-Sith proclaims any number of times a wish to attack Harry, kept back only from an obligation to Mab. Sure, he gains a bit of respect toward Harry but maybe this wasn't enough really to offset his natural anger so that when the leash came off he turned on Harry?
pharthead:
Honestly, I don't think cat sith was trying to kill Harry on the boat. I Nemesis was fighting cat sith for control while using his body to attack Harry. That was why cat sith was moving slower than usual and talking more than ripping spines out.
I think Harry actually made it harder to Cat Sith by calling him out. I think Nemesis thought it had full control but Cat sith was sitting in the dark tweaking things until Harry brought him into the light. Then Nemesis completely overwhelmed him.
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