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[CD spoilers] Cowl = Simon reference thread
Elegast:
--- Quote from: SunlessNick on December 13, 2012, 04:19:28 PM ---Neither does Petrovich, in that sense. To reiterate something I've said before: It tells us the Council was heavily infiltrated, but we knew that; it tells us there's sinisterness in Harry's line of mentorship, but we knew that too, twice over; it implies that whatever agenda is going on with Harry is a bit bigger than just DuMorne's plans, but we knew that too, the only thing Petrovich would add is to potenitally push the time frame back a little.
If the revelation of Cowl's identity is to be a big deal, then I can't see it just filling in the blanks of the past, not being something with implications for the future.
My own theory inasmuch as I have one, is that Cowl is a previous user/victim/ally of a force with which Harry will have to contend, or of which he will have to make use. A former holder of the Blackstaff, for example, illustrating the risk that comes from it; or another Starborn, illustrating the price of failure or success for Harry. Or has made a deal with some being Harry will have to make a deal with.
I prefer arguments that can be made in setting, though, and the big one of those for me is that unless Cowl is close to a solo operator, which does not seem to be the case, a place on the Senior Council is too valuable an asset for his faction to give up.
Is "Dorosh" a Russian word? If so, it argues against Petrovch, not for, because wizards have to use words not from their own language. (Googling it, I've found Russian and Hebrew connections for it).
The others, in order:
Fomor are like fae, yes? In which case, they can produce scions who would presumably face a Choice like changelings do. Cowl is infected, which we know allows action against a being's nature - by extension, a changeling ought to be able to choose "both" or "both, but one at a time." That would allow him to do human-only stuff, or seem human.
Can't answer about Bob, but Petrovich would only know if Justin told him - and that is only likely if Petrovich was running Justin, in which case how likely is it that Petrovich would not have taken Bob years ago?
Why not a fan of Goethe? Do we know Petrovich was a fan of Goethe?
Could still be Petrovich. Petrovich=Cowl and Petrovich=bad guy on the Black Council or whatever it really is are not synomymous assertions. Otherwise, could be anyone.
If Cowl had chosen human, Lea might not be able to peg him as a Fomor-scion.
I will say, though, that your OP is the only post I've seen arguing for Petrovich=Cowl that makes it sound even halfway plausible to me.
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I'm almost certain Cowl is human. Harry says so in Dead Beat, and I don't think Jim would mislead us so much.
And his magic seems human: necromancy and Outsider magic seem to be mortal specialities.
That being said, he could be a fomor scion.
Concerning Simon: he left the WC as he intended to destroy it in a few years anyway, and couldn't run the Circle if he had to lead a war for WC at the same time (he was the vampire expert).
"Dorosh" is russian-like, but it's not a russian word. The same way Harry uses "Flickum Bicus", it's a fake word.
Concerning Bob: Simon may have not known about Bob being Justin's, and only learned in PG.
Goethe: we don't know for Simon, but the dates would fit.
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It's about time somebody got off their behind and made this thread ;D (though I do wish I had completed my revised list). Sorry for replying this late, procrastination is my worst enemy :-[.
Anyways, I've noticed that quite a lot of (circumstantial) evidence from previous threads/my list are missing. I'll post the good ones here after I finish my revised list.
Also:
--- Quote --- as I believe that Cowl, like Vader is good guy who made a pact with the Bad Guy.
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I believe this too. It also meshes really nicely if Cowl is Simon since we know that Simon was a trusted friend of Eb. It would give the Circle/BC a lot more depth too.
EDIT: the reason Petrovich didn't take Bob is simply because Harry took it first. Since Lea is protecting Harry (and I would expect a SC member to know about it) he stayed away (plus he was probably busy with lots of other stuff). He could have also tried to steal it and failed (if he didn't know about Lea) and stayed away after that.
Sydna:
--- Quote from: wizard nelson on December 13, 2012, 01:01:32 PM ---yea jims a total SW geek, nothing wrong with that.. but it practically became modern mythology. how can you create an epic without referencing the classics?
really though nothing on my 'simon cowl' joke? not even lol?
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Sorry, that joke has been floating around the bb for years. It was funny the first time.
wizard nelson:
--- Quote from: Sydna on December 13, 2012, 07:20:42 PM ---Sorry, that joke has been floating around the bb for years. It was funny the first time.
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darn an i thought i was being original
great minds think alike 8)
seriously though, has anyone considered rashid? he's a frickin giant just like harry.
Elegast:
--- Quote from: wizard nelson on December 13, 2012, 09:50:33 PM ---seriously though, has anyone considered rashid? he's a frickin giant just like harry.
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Yes, and it doesn't work:
Rashid was in the NN fighting outsider when Cowl was in Chicago, Cowl is smaller than Rashid, Rashid does not use Dorosh as a keyword, Rashid had already seen Harry for himself, Rashid is a badass who would have successfully completed the Darkhallow (;)).
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