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[CD spoilers] Cowl = Simon reference thread
Elegast:
--- Quote from: derrick on December 13, 2012, 04:13:13 AM ---Here's some relevant quotes:
And here's this, because we're talking gloves:
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On another note, why Goethe? Two things come to mind: Goethe penned Der Erlkönig as well as a celebrated version of Faust. I've always thought that this was a hint that Cowl made a Faustian bargain.
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That's one of my pet theories, but I've never explicitly stated it:
I believe Cowl is based on Darth Vader. :)
We know that Jim is a HUGE SW fan, that he likes to take ideas from other artists, and Vader is probably the best idea of the whole SW universe.
Vader-Cowl:
* dress in black, and wear black gloves
* do not show their faces
* have sustained heavy injuries, including burns
* have an artificial voice
* are badass/nearly unkillable (surviving Darkhallow/ explosion of first Death Star)
* have a secret identity
So I like your idea that Goethe is reference to Faust, as I believe that Cowl, like Vader is good guy who made a pact with the Bad Guy.
wizard nelson:
yea jims a total SW geek, nothing wrong with that.. but it practically became modern mythology. how can you create an epic without referencing the classics?
really though nothing on my 'simon cowl' joke? not even lol?
Ms Duck:
--- Quote from: Elegast on December 13, 2012, 12:45:46 PM ---That's one of my pet theories, but I've never explicitly stated it:
I believe Cowl is based on Darth Vader. :)
We know that Jim is a HUGE SW fan, that he likes to take ideas from other artists, and Vader is probably the best idea of the whole SW universe.
Vader-Cowl:
* dress in black, and wear black gloves
* do not show their faces
* have sustained heavy injuries, including burns
* have an artificial voice
* are badass/nearly unkillable (surviving Darkhallow/ explosion of first Death Star)
* have a secret identity
So I like your idea that Goethe is reference to Faust, as I believe that Cowl, like Vader is good guy who made a pact with the Bad Guy.
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One thought on that is that he's not vader, hes hobgoblin. Jim is an old school spider man fan, Harry is based in part on spider man ( magic geek instead of science geek) and for about ten years Spidey had an enemy who was very..mysterious. there were lots of red herrings, lots of random clues, and many suspects.
it later turned out to be a minor charchter, only mentioned in a few issues, that no one geussed. and the writer planned it that way all along.
SunlessNick:
--- Quote from: Silkki on December 01, 2012, 11:17:04 PM ---Possible, but quite unlikely. Jim himself has said he does his best to foreshadow things, and having Cowl is TAN DAN TAAA *insert name* moment is one of those things that seem likely to happen.
Having "Cowl removed his hood and he was... generic WC member number 199 i'd seen once in a meeting but had never even mentioned on page" just doesn't cut it.
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Neither does Petrovich, in that sense. To reiterate something I've said before: It tells us the Council was heavily infiltrated, but we knew that; it tells us there's sinisterness in Harry's line of mentorship, but we knew that too, twice over; it implies that whatever agenda is going on with Harry is a bit bigger than just DuMorne's plans, but we knew that too, the only thing Petrovich would add is to potenitally push the time frame back a little.
If the revelation of Cowl's identity is to be a big deal, then I can't see it just filling in the blanks of the past, not being something with implications for the future.
My own theory inasmuch as I have one, is that Cowl is a previous user/victim/ally of a force with which Harry will have to contend, or of which he will have to make use. A former holder of the Blackstaff, for example, illustrating the risk that comes from it; or another Starborn, illustrating the price of failure or success for Harry. Or has made a deal with some being Harry will have to make a deal with.
I prefer arguments that can be made in setting, though, and the big one of those for me is that unless Cowl is close to a solo operator, which does not seem to be the case, a place on the Senior Council is too valuable an asset for his faction to give up.
--- Quote from: Elegast on December 12, 2012, 09:15:04 PM ---A fomor?
How did he summon an Outsider? (no proof but probable)
How did he know about Bob?
Why is a fan of Goethe?
Why does he uses 'Dorosh' as keyword for his magic?
Who was the traitor in Archangel?
Why Harry says he's human?
Why Lea accepted a gift from an enemy?
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Is "Dorosh" a Russian word? If so, it argues against Petrovch, not for, because wizards have to use words not from their own language. (Googling it, I've found Russian and Hebrew connections for it).
The others, in order:
Fomor are like fae, yes? In which case, they can produce scions who would presumably face a Choice like changelings do. Cowl is infected, which we know allows action against a being's nature - by extension, a changeling ought to be able to choose "both" or "both, but one at a time." That would allow him to do human-only stuff, or seem human.
Can't answer about Bob, but Petrovich would only know if Justin told him - and that is only likely if Petrovich was running Justin, in which case how likely is it that Petrovich would not have taken Bob years ago?
Why not a fan of Goethe? Do we know Petrovich was a fan of Goethe?
Could still be Petrovich. Petrovich=Cowl and Petrovich=bad guy on the Black Council or whatever it really is are not synomymous assertions. Otherwise, could be anyone.
If Cowl had chosen human, Lea might not be able to peg him as a Fomor-scion.
I will say, though, that your OP is the only post I've seen arguing for Petrovich=Cowl that makes it sound even halfway plausible to me.
Ms Duck:
give me some time and ill come up with one of those ducksims theories for cowl= formor. ill ahve to dig up my lovecraft, since its largely based on that.
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