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[CD spoilers] Cowl = Simon reference thread
madness:
--- Quote from: 123456789blaaa on January 14, 2013, 03:39:27 PM ---Molly was being trained by Lea. I don't see why a wizard has to be in the White Council.
Ah I see. I suggest making that a bit more clear in the OP.
Both Harry and Luccio are people with limited knowledge. I can see them easily being mistaken.
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Molly is very well known to the White Council.
That examples seems to prove my point more than your point.
Molly has also only been operating for a year or a year and a half under the tutelage of Lea and she is already infamous among many different powers in the supernatural community. Cowl (if not Simon) has likely been operating for decades or centuries.
123456789blaaa:
--- Quote from: madness on January 14, 2013, 08:12:30 PM ---Molly is very well known to the White Council.
That examples seems to prove my point more than your point.
Molly has also only been operating for a year or a year and a half under the tutelage of Lea and she is already infamous among many different powers in the supernatural community. Cowl (if not Simon) has likely been operating for decades or centuries.
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Molly is deliberately making herself known to everyone. That's why she became the Rag Lady in the first place: To scare off supernatural baddies. I don't see why a wizard couldn't be picked up by a supernatural creature and taught while keeping themselves unknown to the WC.
madness:
--- Quote from: 123456789blaaa on January 14, 2013, 08:39:15 PM ---Molly is deliberately making herself known to everyone. That's why she became the Rag Lady in the first place: To scare off supernatural baddies. I don't see why a wizard couldn't be picked up by a supernatural creature and taught while keeping themselves unknown to the WC.
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It is definitely possible.
It would just take a century or two for that wizard to get to Cowl's level.
We also have no in-universe examples of this being done. Only examples of supernatural powers kidnapping or luring magic users that don't make the radar of the White Council.
psuliin:
Harry and Elaine were unknown to the White Council while they were being trained by Justin DuMorne (who was not only a member of the WC himself, but a warden). Harry didn't become known to the Council until he killed DuMorne.
We know this because Elaine disappeared after DuMorne's death and showed up later in California. The White Council tested her, but she deliberately threw the test and was not inducted. However there's no indication that they asked who had trained her (even though she clearly had been trained), or that they even cared. Elaine might not have come to their attention at all if she hadn't tried to operate openly.
So it seems clear that people of WC-level power can and do operate outside the White Council, and even do so without their knowledge.
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
--- Quote from: psuliin on January 14, 2013, 09:07:01 PM ---We know this because Elaine disappeared after DuMorne's death and showed up later in California. The White Council tested her, but she deliberately threw the test and was not inducted. However there's no indication that they asked who had trained her (even though she clearly had been trained), or that they even cared. Elaine might not have come to their attention at all if she hadn't tried to operate openly.
So it seems clear that people of WC-level power can and do operate outside the White Council, and even do so without their knowledge.
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If they are skilled enough to fake being low-level practitioners, perhaps.
I don't think we can judge likely response to Elaine operating openly on a visibly Warden-strength level of power from reaction to Elaine giving the impression of not being strong enough to be worth bothering about.
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