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Cold Days Spoilers- Who isn't your Nemesis?
Second Aristh:
--- Quote from: tuttman1234 on November 29, 2012, 07:35:40 PM ---Yeah, but I think we have to assume that at least one of the Denarians is infected. And if we have to assume that, then we must consider the fact that Ivy might be infected as well.
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SmF seems to give time and opportunity to get both Ivy and Marcone assuming that there is at least one infected Denarian. Marcone did make a trip to the Vatican for an unknown reason during GS
--- Quote from: Aluman on November 29, 2012, 07:38:16 PM ---Ivy falls into the same category as Mab, Rashid and Demonreach. If she is infected the game is over and we have lost; therefor she hasn't been infected.
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Why does Ivy mean game over exactly?
FFguy:
--- Quote from: sjsharks on November 29, 2012, 07:36:40 PM ---I am fairly certain that Thorned Namshiel was infected.
It wouldn't surprise me too much if Ivy was infected.
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Ivy is going to be a wild card. Eventually Ivy is going to make a choice that would endanger the archive. This will will make everyone start to wonder if she is infected or if it is just the human portions of her that Harry named. So I wouldn't put Ivy up just yet in either category.
tuttman1234:
And just because she was infected, I don't think that the takeover is always as quick as it was in Cat Sith's case. Ivy could have been fighting it for the last 4 years. Or maybe she found another way to beat it.
Aluman:
--- Quote from: Second Aristh on November 29, 2012, 07:40:11 PM ---Why does Ivy mean game over exactly?
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She has all the knowledge of mankind that is ever written down, which means she knows the outergates and Demonreach. She also has the magical ability of at Least the Ladies. If she was infected, she could arrange for Rashid to be detained and killed, allowing outsiders to pour over the walls. To say nothing of the fact that at the very Least Nemesis allows beings without free will free will, and she was still bound by the rules in her mantle in Changes.
Serack:
Using the previous analysis done of the "Black Council" in the past as a stepping stone, it seems as though most of the beings that the Nemesis had infected and used had the common atribute of ambition. These people were not puppets though, but were being twisted towards Nemesis' goals.
This kinda brings up the question to me. Could Maeve not have known who was infected outside her sphere of influence (I.E. since she was not a sock puppet and thus wasn't omnicient on the Nemesis' plans) and thus was excited about a vector to Lara while being ignorant of her status? Thomas sure did make a big deal about Lara's actions changing lately. In an Ambitious nature. Which equates to two huge red flags to me.
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