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Cold Days Spoilers- Who isn't your Nemesis?
sjsharks:
--- Quote from: Clenzor on November 29, 2012, 06:47:18 PM ---I think so. Someone with better knowledge of the WOJ (Serack/CuriousFan) would know better but iirc to be starborn you had to be a wizard/witch and be born at a certain time of year and in a specific year. Harry and Elaine both fit into these qualifications.
As for it granting immunity, I believe it does otherwise Harry would've been infected when he was 16 and if Justin was infected he wouldn't have needed to enthrall them, just infect them. Also the Outsiders that Harry has met have attempted to recruit him, not kidnap and infect him. That being said I do believe that Elaine may be working for the other side. If they attempted to recruit Harry logically they would try to recruit her as well. Also the amount of trust that both the Gatekeeper and Mab place in Harry allows them to be fairly positive in his allegiance and from before they really knew him as well.
Others who are definitely not infected: Mother Summer and Winter, same reasoning as Mab and Gatekeeper, if they were infected they would have enough power to destroy the gate. Also Titania, for similar reasons as if she were infected she would have full blown attacked Winter and at the very least weakened Mab giving the Outsiders their opportunity to break through the gates.
Angels, Archangels and God aren't because of the above reasons. Sanya for being a KotC. Drakkul, Ferro, and Odin. Really anyone with a payscale big enough to go head to head with Mab and be an actual threat to her.
I would definitely not put Thomas, Lara, or Justine on this list though. They have all spent a good amount of time near Papa Raith (at least through proxy of Lara) who has a very good chance to be at least somewhat connected to the Outsiders.
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Here you go
Q: Is Elaine another candidate to wield power over Outsiders (the way Harry supposedly is)?
A: Yes. There’s a reason Justin picked the two of them.
I think you are underestimating the brainy ness of the Outsiders. There is a very good chance that they have more cards then they are showing, and are trying not to blow all of their secrets at once.
Lara and Justine are not infected yet, Maeve was very excited to get the chance to infect Justine so that she could have someone close to Lara.
--- Quote from: Clenzor on November 29, 2012, 06:53:10 PM ---The thing with this is that if they were infected they would be able to end the war in a second. If any of the Archangels or God were infected they would just go smash the Outer Gates. As for lesser Angels, God and the Archangels would be able to sense it in them and heal them of it instantly.
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We don't know whether they could sense it though.
Aluman:
--- Quote from: sjsharks on November 29, 2012, 06:33:48 PM ---I am willing to add Mab and DR to the list, but not Rashid. I mean, come on. Nemesis is getting through.
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Actually it got through once and is infecting from its original source (whomever the Athame belonged to originally probably), Rashid on their team would be disastrous, as he controls the gates.
--- Quote ---Lara, Justine, Lea, and Molly. other then that we can't be sure.
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Actually, Lea on that group is the only one that is assured, and her by virtue of having been infected once.
Cander:
Thomas
and I also I hear your case for Rashid, but I don't buy it. Rashid is not infected.
I also don't think Fix is.
Also question: Can normal humans be infected? Murphy, Butters? Marcone?
sjsharks:
--- Quote from: Aluman on November 29, 2012, 06:58:21 PM ---Actually it got through once and is infecting from its original source (whomever the Athame belonged to originally probably), Rashid on their team would be disastrous, as he controls the gates.Actually, Lea on that group is the only one that is assured, and her by virtue of having been infected once.
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Lara and Justine both have textual evidence supporting them
--- Quote from: Cander on November 29, 2012, 07:00:01 PM ---Thomas
and I also I hear your case for Rashid, but I don't buy it. Rashid is not infected.
I also don't think Fix is.
Also question: Can normal humans be infected? Murphy, Butters? Marcone?
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I don't think Rashid is infected either, I am just saying that he is more of a possibility then some other people
Cander:
Also, what about Bob? Is it even possible?
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