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Cold Days Spoilers- Who isn't your Nemesis?
sjsharks:
--- Quote from: MacShidhe on November 29, 2012, 06:39:48 PM ---Lara, Justine, Lea, and Molly. other then that we can't be sure.They have WG supernatural insurance. I think Uriel would have noticed.
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The Outsiders are not their fight though. The Swords couldn't even be raised in the fight coming against Nemesis. It is not of our existence, so I don't think that it is outside the realm of possibility to infect one of them.
Also, the angels can only keep them safe as long as they stay out of the action. Once they start making choices then their guard can't do much. Daniel, for one, strikes me as a very active boy that has done some strange things.
Clenzor:
I think so. Someone with better knowledge of the WOJ (Serack/CuriousFan) would know better but iirc to be starborn you had to be a wizard/witch and be born at a certain time of year and in a specific year. Harry and Elaine both fit into these qualifications.
As for it granting immunity, I believe it does otherwise Harry would've been infected when he was 16 and if Justin was infected he wouldn't have needed to enthrall them, just infect them. Also the Outsiders that Harry has met have attempted to recruit him, not kidnap and infect him. That being said I do believe that Elaine may be working for the other side. If they attempted to recruit Harry logically they would try to recruit her as well. Also the amount of trust that both the Gatekeeper and Mab place in Harry allows them to be fairly positive in his allegiance and from before they really knew him as well.
Others who are definitely not infected: Mother Summer and Winter, same reasoning as Mab and Gatekeeper, if they were infected they would have enough power to destroy the gate. Also Titania, for similar reasons as if she were infected she would have full blown attacked Winter and at the very least weakened Mab giving the Outsiders their opportunity to break through the gates.
Angels, Archangels and God aren't because of the above reasons. Sanya for being a KotC. Drakkul, Ferro, and Odin. Really anyone with a payscale big enough to go head to head with Mab and be an actual threat to her.
Edit: Forgot the scene with Maeve talking about taking Justine to get to Lara. Although it could just be a front trying to get Harry, Mab and crew to trust Lara.
Second Aristh:
--- Quote from: Serack on November 29, 2012, 06:41:26 PM ---I agree about Mab and Demonreach being clear. I think the last topic had some good points on Lara being clear because of Maeve wanting Justine as a vector to her.
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Thomas by the same reasoning as Justine. He could get to Lara just as easily.
KevinSig:
--- Quote from: Zolt on November 29, 2012, 06:27:33 PM ---Elaine should definitely not be on that list. Much as I like her she's one of the least trustworthy of Harry's friends.
We have no idea whether being Starborn grants immunity against the outsiders influence. I would think not, since they keep trying to recruit Harry, and he's not immune to their mind magic. We know Justin did get to Elaine and he's a known outsider ally. She was also close to Aurora, who was very likely "infected".
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Also, Lash said that being Starborn gave you the potential to wield great power over Outsiders. Not the same thing as having the power at beck & call.
Clenzor:
--- Quote from: sjsharks on November 29, 2012, 06:43:09 PM ---The Outsiders are not their fight though. The Swords couldn't even be raised in the fight coming against Nemesis. It is not of our existence, so I don't think that it is outside the realm of possibility to infect one of them.
Also, the angels can only keep them safe as long as they stay out of the action. Once they start making choices then their guard can't do much. Daniel, for one, strikes me as a very active boy that has done some strange things.
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The thing with this is that if they were infected they would be able to end the war in a second. If any of the Archangels or God were infected they would just go smash the Outer Gates. As for lesser Angels, God and the Archangels would be able to sense it in them and heal them of it instantly.
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