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Cold Days Book Club - Chapters 45-53 **MAJOR SPOILERS**
TheCuriousFan:
--- Quote from: huangjimmy108 on December 17, 2012, 02:14:48 AM ---on a different note, considering that Kincaid fails to deliver on the favor Harry asked of him, namely killing Harry, does it mean Harry can still call on the debt?
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He killed Harry, not his problem if Harry didn't stay.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: huangjimmy108 on December 17, 2012, 02:14:48 AM ---So far, everything is as you said above, but think about it. Lord Wraith is a very juicy target for Nemesis's infestation. Honestly, I couldn't even think of any other character that is more suited.
Think of the disaster and Mayhem it would cause!
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It would be extremely difficult to reach him and he is not in a position to do anything. Lara would be a better option in both respects.
--- Quote ---Other character that I think Butcher would turn into Nemesis's pawn probably would be: Elaine, one of Murphy's extended family (hopefully her ex husband), Hellen beckit, and Fix the summer knight.
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Infection is not that easy and we see that Maeve for example preferred manipulation above infection for Fix and Lilly. Until now we have seen only key persons infected not great masses of people.
Murphy's extended family for example is not important enough to expend the effort. Maeve had more than enough chances to infect Lilly and Fix but stil didn't do it. Hellen Beckit might be interesting to get to Marcone but even that is far less interesting than Lara.
Infecting Elaine is not more interesting than any talent in the white council of her level. Better take a higher level like Cowl if you need a free agent.
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I didn't put the likes of Thomas, Molly or Murphy because Jim have the tendency not to touch the true main characters and I don't mention any other nameless characters like some unknown members of the white council because like Peabody they are not important until they got some screentime.
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Peabody though was a very good candidate. Minimal investment with maximum result. But even if he was infected he did not use infection to reach his goals but he used simple mind manipulation.
--- Quote ---Oh yeah, brownnose Rudolf is a good Nemesis's pawn too.
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Rudolph is just not important enough. Can be handled by blackmail, mind manipulation or whatever.
--- Quote ---on a different note, considering that Kincaid fails to deliver on the favor Harry asked of him, namely killing Harry, does it mean Harry can still call on the debt?
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We have to see how Jim handles this but I do not think so.
huangjimmy108:
--- Quote from: Arjan on December 17, 2012, 03:29:14 PM ---It would be extremely difficult to reach him and he is not in a position to do anything. Lara would be a better option in both respects. Infection is not that easy and we see that Maeve for example preferred manipulation above infection for Fix and Lilly. Until now we have seen only key persons infected not great masses of people.
Murphy's extended family for example is not important enough to expend the effort. Maeve had more than enough chances to infect Lilly and Fix but stil didn't do it. Hellen Beckit might be interesting to get to Marcone but even that is far less interesting than Lara.
Infecting Elaine is not more interesting than any talent in the white council of her level. Better take a higher level like Cowl if you need a free agent.
Peabody though was a very good candidate. Minimal investment with maximum result. But even if he was infected he did not use infection to reach his goals but he used simple mind manipulation.Rudolph is just not important enough. Can be handled by blackmail, mind manipulation or whatever.We have to see how Jim handles this but I do not think so.
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Lord Wraith is a puppet right now, but in the eyes of the white court, especially the other two great houses, the one that calls the shot is still Papa Wraith. If suddenly Lara's mind whammy fails to control Papa dearest thanks to the infestation, What do you think would happen?
Nemesis infestation could make Maeve tell lies. What if the infestation could restore Papa Wraith's feeding powers? I am quite sure that deep down inside Lord Wraith wants revenge very very badly. He would be a willing even eager vessel and the problem of reaching him is not insurmountable. Taking Lord Wraith would gave Nemesis a whole vampire court under it's command, I think it is worth it for Nemesis.
OZ:
I have always figured that Papa Raith was one of the first infected.
Mr. Death:
--- Quote from: huangjimmy108 on December 18, 2012, 01:41:16 AM ---Lord Wraith is a puppet right now, but in the eyes of the white court, especially the other two great houses, the one that calls the shot is still Papa Wraith. If suddenly Lara's mind whammy fails to control Papa dearest thanks to the infestation, What do you think would happen?
Nemesis infestation could make Maeve tell lies. What if the infestation could restore Papa Wraith's feeding powers? I am quite sure that deep down inside Lord Wraith wants revenge very very badly. He would be a willing even eager vessel and the problem of reaching him is not insurmountable. Taking Lord Wraith would gave Nemesis a whole vampire court under it's command, I think it is worth it for Nemesis.
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From what we've seen, the infection can let you act against your nature--there's no indication that it gives you any kind of boost aside from that, and if Cat Sith is any indication, it might well do the opposite. There's nothing to indicate that the infection can undo something like a death curse. Hell, there's no indication that the infection can stop a regular spell.
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