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Cold Days Book Club - Chapters 45-53 **MAJOR SPOILERS**
Arjan:
--- Quote from: huangjimmy108 on December 12, 2012, 04:50:52 AM ---A few questions. Sorry if it is already answered elsewhere.
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Most of these questions are unanswered so we can only make theories based on the evidence we have. Our understanding of things changes with every book but most of these changes were hinted in previous books.
--- Quote ---1. Is Molly Fei now, or is she mortal still?
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I would say she is a mortal with a mantle that makes her immortal and probably even fey as long as she wears that mantle.
--- Quote ---If she is Fei, what happened to her soul? Is her free wil simply gone?
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Being able to discard a mantle implies the soul is not gone otherwise a new soul would have to be created when she returns to humanity which is not likely.
It also implies free will is not totally gone. It is bound by the nature of the mantle.
Or maybe she has free will once a year at halloween :D
I think free will is like mortality, humanity and dead. A binary answer is just too simple in some cases.
I think the longer you wear the mantle and the more you give in to it the more you whole being, including your soul, gets aligned with the mantle. Your nature changes slowly.
But we have seen that even with Mab this process is far from completed.
Fae or human? Does it really matter? I think she is Fae as long as she wears the mantle but even that does not have to be true. Or only gets true after a while.
--- Quote ---Can Molly still have a soulgaze with someone?
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I think so, yes. It is bound to be a pretty heavy experience.
--- Quote ---For that matter, if Mab is mortal once, what happened to her soul? What happened to her free wil?
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Still there. I do not think a soul can disappear that easily. It changes.
--- Quote ---Is a dragon immortal? If so, did Michael carpenter killed the dragon while rescuing Charity?
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It was not on ferrofax level so maybe it was not immortal, maybe the place or situation or date made it mortal or there might be something special with Michaels sword and angelic support. Your guess is as good as mine.
--- Quote ---How did Michael killed the dragon if it is immortal? Is it halloween or is it the sword?
Please Clarify. If there a WOJ about this, please point it out to me.
Thank you.
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Clarify? As far as I know all these questions have no undisputed answers.
Choose your position and throw your arguments at anyone who dares to state something else ;D
TheCuriousFan:
--- Quote ---It was not on ferrofax level so maybe it was not immortal, maybe the place or situation or date made it mortal or there might be something special with Michaels sword and angelic support. Your guess is as good as mine.
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Actually, it was a Dragon not just a dragon IIRC.
huangjimmy108:
--- Quote from: Arjan on December 12, 2012, 08:36:22 AM ---Most of these questions are unanswered so we can only make theories based on the evidence we have. Our understanding of things changes with every book but most of these changes were hinted in previous books.I would say she is a mortal with a mantle that makes her immortal and probably even fey as long as she wears that mantle.Being able to discard a mantle implies the soul is not gone otherwise a new soul would have to be created when she returns to humanity which is not likely.
It also implies free will is not totally gone. It is bound by the nature of the mantle.
Or maybe she has free will once a year at halloween :D
I think free will is like mortality, humanity and dead. A binary answer is just too simple in some cases.
I think the longer you wear the mantle and the more you give in to it the more you whole being, including your soul, gets aligned with the mantle. Your nature changes slowly.
But we have seen that even with Mab this process is far from completed.
Fae or human? Does it really matter? I think she is Fae as long as she wears the mantle but even that does not have to be true. Or only gets true after a while.
I think so, yes. It is bound to be a pretty heavy experience.Still there. I do not think a soul can disappear that easily. It changes.It was not on ferrofax level so maybe it was not immortal, maybe the place or situation or date made it mortal or there might be something special with Michaels sword and angelic support. Your guess is as good as mine.Clarify? As far as I know all these questions have no undisputed answers.
Choose your position and throw your arguments at anyone who dares to state something else ;D
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Thanks for the response. Someone should ask these questions to Mr. Butcher the next chance they get. It is really annoying when an author breaks the rule he makes for himself in his own universe.
Anyway, I would proceed with the assumption that carrying the mantle would ultimately result in a transformation as if being turn into a vampire. Your essential nature change, your free wil is gone, your soul is either departed or confined or changed.
If there is no other WOJ or reliable sources that say otherwise, it is possible that the dragon Michael defeated is still alive. Which means it is possible that Harry might have to face two dragon instead just one Farofax.
Mr. Death:
No, pretty sure Siriothrax is dead. It's possible, likely even, that getting hit with one of the Swords counts as a "special condition" under which an immortal can die.
Vondrakenhof:
Ok, I finally got the book yesterday. It took so long because Easons (the major bookstore in Ireland) said it would be two weeks after the release date that they would have it in stock. So I ordered it online, which should've taken a week. What followed was two weeks of nothing before I could finally cancel the order and buy it in the bookstore. It was annoying. But now I've read it and I wanted to post my thoughts before I read through this entire thread, which I'm sure is full of theories I haven't even begun to think of:
Holy (insert every single expletive you can think of) that was AWESOME! Before reading Cold Days my favourite book was either Death Masks, Small Favour or Changes. Cold Days blew them all out of the water! It was brilliant. And full to the brim of stuff I'd never even guessed at:
-Demonreach's Purpose. How epic is it that Harry is Warden to the most dangerous prison ever?
-The Outer Gates. I always imagined them to be some sort of seal an Outsider could only slip through with the help of a mortal. Not the site of a freaking giant eternal battle.
-Maeve actually having ambition. Of a sort.
-And Molly. Oh man, that's a harsh deal. I really don't want to see her turn into Maeve. But I hope we see how that Svartelf deal happened.
On the other hand I knew Odin had to have something to do with Kringle once he was introduced. That's where the whole myth started after all.
And Harry was awesome. On so many levels. Admittedly he seemed to lose the ability to think things through with the return of his glands but hey, that's Harry. Kicking ass all day long... when he's not getting his own ass kicked. Him taking on Sharkface was fantastic. And now he's on Demonreach full time, where he's at his most powerful. He'll have plenty of time to remake his foci and figure out his duties as the Warden. The next book is going to be very interesting.
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