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Cold Days Book Club - Chapters 45-53 **MAJOR SPOILERS**
huangjimmy108:
Small favor chapter 28:
“It is a metaphor,” he said quietly. He had a good voice, mellow and surprisingly deep. “Look at them. Swimming. Eating. Mating. Hunting, killing, fleeing, hiding, each to its nature. All of them so different. So alien to one another. Their world in constant motion, always changing, always threatening, challenging.” He moved one arm, sweeping it in a wider gesture. “They cannot know how fragile it is, or that they are constantly surrounded by beings with the power to destroy their world and kill them all with the twitch of a finger. It is no fault of theirs, of course.” Nicodemus shrugged. “They are simply…limited. Very, very limited. Hello, Dresden.”
Nick almost talking about the outsiders here.
Is that why he took up the dinarian coin in the first place?
Is the outsiders have something to do with lucifer and the fallen angel's rebellion?
Butcher once mention a crazy archangel who interferes and destroys the balance, is this it?
TexanDresden:
--- Quote from: DragonEyes on December 06, 2012, 04:03:13 AM ---That is absolutely believable on many levels. First, Dresden doesn't know her likes or dislikes, her wants or fears. He doesn't have a place in her life and doesn't have a purchase to close in with her other than "I had sex with and killed your mom... wanna play Barbies?" Second, Dresden isn't the most emotionally stable person EVEN WITHOUT the mantle. Add in the mantle, he's pretty much a monster in the making. He has to learn to control that before he can even consider getting involved in her life. Third, Harry feels like he screwed up with Molly, something fierce. He probably doesn't want to "try try again" with a nine-year-old girl. And fourth, she's at Michael's house. Michael got out and Harry feels guilty as hell for what happened to him to get him out. Michael wants out and Harry doesn't want to bring him back in, conscious or unconscious. He screws up the lives of everyone he touches, something fierce (in his eyes, not mine.) Why would bring that on his daughter and back onto Michael?
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And fifth ... Mr. Butcher needs to sell another book! Just don't take so long this time I mean MY GOD!!! I started reading this series during jury duty almost two years ago. I plowed through it until two weeks before the release of Ghost Story and finally learned a painful new lesson in patience. What I enjoy most about our hero are his strange bedfellows. With Sarrisa in Summer's court and Molly in Winter, what kind of power play will unfold? Demonreach, Harry's new home and responsibility, what will being under the guidance of an anchient spirit, the manual of Winter and the influence of the Well do to him, or rather for him? Mab certainly recognizes the island as Harry's domain, is he somewhat safe from her or her influence? Can she only come if summoned, or does the fact that because the Winter in Harry is really part of Mab and because Harry's part of the island Mab's granted a temporary visa as long as she behaves?
But, I digress, back to the original question regarding Harry's daughter drama, I hope we don't encounter her again until two books from now. Somehow I imagine the Black Denarians would make an ideal set of villains in that story. Maggie, under the Carperter roof, Harry focused on the island and the Fae business, a perfect target for that group. Threaten to give Maggie a coin unless Harry finally take one himself. In the end Maggie gets one anyway, tricked into thinking it will replace a dead mother and an absent father she believes doesn't want her. Harry saves the day by taking the coin back hoping Winter will be able to control it or he can trap it in the Well. Oh the possibilities :) But we're jumping way too far ahead for us to see any immediate resolution to Harry's relationship with his daughter.
Just my opinion and I can't wait to read the real story!
Orbweaver:
--- Quote from: huangjimmy108 on December 06, 2012, 04:53:13 AM ---Small favor chapter 28:
“It is a metaphor,” he said quietly. He had a good voice, mellow and surprisingly deep. “Look at them. Swimming. Eating. Mating. Hunting, killing, fleeing, hiding, each to its nature. All of them so different. So alien to one another. Their world in constant motion, always changing, always threatening, challenging.” He moved one arm, sweeping it in a wider gesture. “They cannot know how fragile it is, or that they are constantly surrounded by beings with the power to destroy their world and kill them all with the twitch of a finger. It is no fault of theirs, of course.” Nicodemus shrugged. “They are simply…limited. Very, very limited. Hello, Dresden.”
Nick almost talking about the outsiders here.
Is that why he took up the dinarian coin in the first place?
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I (and I think the rest of the Dresden fans) would just about kill to get backstory on how Nicodemus got saddled with Anduriel. His partnership with his fallen is completely unique in that there is, supposedly, an equal footing between the two. Presumably, this is because of some sort of understanding that was reached, and has resulted in 2000+ years of dead Knights of the Cross, the Black Death across Europe and the surrounding countries, the Archive being completely overwhelmed and hundreds of other dastardly deeds coming to fruition.
--- Quote --- Is the outsiders have something to do with lucifer and the fallen angel's rebellion?
Butcher once mention a crazy archangel who interferes and destroys the balance, is this it?
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Most of us are fairly certain that the angel who went 90 degrees north of true is a reference to Satan/Lucifer, who is known amongst other things to be the "Father of Lies". There is also suspicion that Nemesis is responsible for the fall of the angels, and the ex-Archangel, Lucifer.
None of this is proven, yet.
tuttman1234:
--- Quote from: TexanDresden on December 06, 2012, 05:26:58 AM ---And fifth ... Mr. Butcher needs to sell another book! Just don't take so long this time I mean MY GOD!!! I started reading this series during jury duty almost two years ago. I plowed through it until two weeks before the release of Ghost Story and finally learned a painful new lesson in patience. What I enjoy most about our hero are his strange bedfellows. With Sarrisa in Summer's court and Molly in Winter, what kind of power play will unfold? Demonreach, Harry's new home and responsibility, what will being under the guidance of an anchient spirit, the manual of Winter and the influence of the Well do to him, or rather for him? Mab certainly recognizes the island as Harry's domain, is he somewhat safe from her or her influence? Can she only come if summoned, or does the fact that because the Winter in Harry is really part of Mab and because Harry's part of the island Mab's granted a temporary visa as long as she behaves?
But, I digress, back to the original question regarding Harry's daughter drama, I hope we don't encounter her again until two books from now. Somehow I imagine the Black Denarians would make an ideal set of villains in that story. Maggie, under the Carperter roof, Harry focused on the island and the Fae business, a perfect target for that group. Threaten to give Maggie a coin unless Harry finally take one himself. In the end Maggie gets one anyway, tricked into thinking it will replace a dead mother and an absent father she believes doesn't want her. Harry saves the day by taking the coin back hoping Winter will be able to control it or he can trap it in the Well. Oh the possibilities :) But we're jumping way too far ahead for us to see any immediate resolution to Harry's relationship with his daughter.
Just my opinion and I can't wait to read the real story!
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Hey, always good to see another Texan in the mix.
I think that, with the next book being a multiple of 5, that it will be almost impossible to avoid seeing Maggie Jr. at some point.
Fyxen:
--- Quote from: JustKidding on December 06, 2012, 03:42:05 AM ---What I find pretty stunning is that Harry summoned(or encountered, in the case of the mother summer) all of the senior powers of faerie in a very short period of time. Bro goes hard. Also, mother winter is a stone cold boss. She is most definitely the scariest queen.
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I got the impression reading this book that Mother Summer and Mother Winter were actually the same person, or at least two sides of the same coin. After all, Mab and Titania are sisters, as Aurora and Maeve are cousins. Unless there is some big bad daddy figure we don't know about, the two queens must have the same mother. Considering that the Sidhe courts seem to be all about feminine power, I doubt that their mantles of Queen were passed down from their fathers.
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