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The YLC (Why Little Chicago) thread
breck:
Harry began little chicago some time after dead beat using funds from his new warden's salary. It was finished about six months later. The first trial run in proven guilty did not work, harry was looking for molly. Harry used it successfully in white night and cowl promptly breaks it when he senses harry prying in. Small favor is the next time it works, harry uses mister to keep summer running all over chicago. The fix to little chicago happened some time in proven guilty, so that safely rules molly out. Or does it? Just throwing a bone to mrs duck's molly = mab theory. Just wanted to flesh out the timeline a bit on when it was fixed, i was a bit fuzzy about it myself i was thinking it got fixed around white night because that was when i remembered it working.
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
--- Quote from: kytheros on September 18, 2012, 07:14:34 AM ---Little Chicago was built and fixed in a timeframe when Harry and Bob (and Lea/Mab) are the only known people with adequate magical backgrounds and knowledge who were in his lab.
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But also at a point when Thomas and Murphy both have keys to Harry's apartment and wards, yes ? So basically any player who could persuade or magically compel either of the above is a suspect.
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
--- Quote from: Sheaman3773 on September 17, 2012, 10:22:05 PM ---My meaning is that I thought that with a command like "Never remember that again," it might be that Bob would require a specific order to countermand the previous one, while Harry just refusing to call upon it again would leave it open to any general query about shortcuts to power.
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Possibly, but I'm not remembering any other supporting evidence for that model off the top of my head.
--- Quote ---Perhaps, but I think it's pretty fair to say that Harry fears that aspect of himself pretty strongly.
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Indeed, but he does seem to have a tendency to get into situations where looking for extra power is necessary despite his preferences.
--- Quote ---Two points. 1) Could you supply the quote for that allusion?
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Which allusion ?
Lash telling Harry about the ingredients for the Darkhallow, I was slightly misremembering: DB, pb, p.373, Harry reports it to Butters and we don't see it directly. (I suspect there is something in there we need not to see, fwiw.). "The last several years have seen some serious magical turbulence around Chicago. Kemmler's disciples can put the turbulence to work for them too." is the line I am reading as indicating that the boundary between our world and the NN is still in flux, and that that is being useful to Kemmlerites, and that that could have been planned by Mavra
If you mean the Unseelie Incursion of 199-something when Milwaukee vanished, I am pretty sure it's in SF but it's an aside of Harry's and I'm not at all sure where in the text; maybe we should ask one of our betas with searchable e-texts.
--- Quote ---I agree with you that that seems to be an objective of the BC, but the idea that they are predicted everything that happened is a bit ludicrous, I think.
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Predicting that annoyed Faerie will exact payback does not seem to me to take very much effort, and as for the vampires making the decision to trespass on Faerie in the first place, I don't think that takes prediction so much as manipulation. The Red Court sorcerous auxiliaries are, in this model, working with Cowl, and may well be able to sell the Reds on that being a safe thing to do if they expect to have a god-level protector imminently.
--- Quote ---I'd be more inclined to think that they built that in as a Plan B, with Plan A including crushing the WC and then immediately turning around and crushing the RC. Plus, then the BC would have a protogodling on their side, which is hard to top.
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I remain unconvinced that this is actually workable, though. By what Harry says about gods in general in PG, most of them seem to have been actively exiled from Earth into the far NN; it would not surprise me if the process of transformation into deity was followed nigh-instantly by removal from the theatre of operations, and if Cowl knows this and the Reds do not.
kytheros:
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on September 18, 2012, 12:55:49 PM ---But also at a point when Thomas and Murphy both have keys to Harry's apartment and wards, yes ? So basically any player who could persuade or magically compel either of the above is a suspect.
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But said player would need to know of Little Chicago's existence. Oh, I suppose that someone might have had Thomas and/or Murphy let them in for a look around and spotted Little Chicago ... but they'd have had to do so (a) during time periods that Thomas/Murphy would not be missed, (b) times that Dresden wasn't around, and (c) probably multiple times in order to gain sufficient understanding of Little Chicago's construction - plus they'd need some way to not get noticed by Bob or Mouse. Then the question becomes, if you're going to have Thomas/Murphy secretly let you into Dresden's place, so you're probably not friendly with Dresden - why are you fixing Little Chicago?
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
--- Quote from: kytheros on September 18, 2012, 08:05:52 PM ---But said player would need to know of Little Chicago's existence.
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I'm unconvinced that's unlikely or difficult, if we take Lara's intelligence report on Harry's wards in BR as reasonably representative of the information-gathering capacities of major powers under the Accords.
--- Quote --- Oh, I suppose that someone might have had Thomas and/or Murphy let them in for a look around and spotted Little Chicago ... but they'd have had to do so (a) during time periods that Thomas/Murphy would not be missed, (b) times that Dresden wasn't around, and (c) probably multiple times in order to gain sufficient understanding of Little Chicago's construction - plus they'd need some way to not get noticed by Bob or Mouse.
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We have a sizable timespan in the middle of PG when neither Bob nor Mouse are home, fwiw.
--- Quote ---Then the question becomes, if you're going to have Thomas/Murphy secretly let you into Dresden's place, so you're probably not friendly with Dresden - why are you fixing Little Chicago?
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I think the logic there is back to front; fixing Little Chicago seems only to fit with a benevolent approach, or at least having more use for a living Harry than otherwise (which could be any number of the hostiles we have seen in the series more minded to use him for their own ends than kill him.) As to why a friendly would want to do it secretly, well, maybe it's a friendly whom Harry would not recognise as a friendly, or be readily persuadable to recognise as a friendly while up to his eyes in other plot elements.
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