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Questions for Jim 2012 style 2
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Sheaman3773 on September 21, 2012, 02:00:15 PM ---The faeries have said the exact same sentiment (though different wording) as the Fallen, that of being around long before us puny humans (and, I believe with lower confidence levels, of being around long before anything else). Who's to say whether it all seems true to them, even if it's factually false?
If belief creates deities, then would not TWG have come into being believing the beliefs about him were true? Would not perforce the Angels, Fallen or not, also believe the same thing?
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Belief Empowers Deities, not quite the same thing. And thats just how it works for entities that have adopted those roles, like Odin or the Red King. The WG was on the ground floor of Creation, by WOJ (as a corollary to the WOJ that says Uriel was the Senior VP of Creation)
wyltok:
--- Quote from: Sheaman3773 on September 21, 2012, 02:00:15 PM ---The faeries have said the exact same sentiment (though different wording) as the Fallen, that of being around long before us puny humans (and, I believe with lower confidence levels, of being around long before anything else). Who's to say whether it all seems true to them, even if it's factually false?
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Sheaman3773, do you happen to remember where that's from? I've been looking for it for months, to no avail (mostly because The Curious Fan challenged me to find it, and I failed). Could you please point me to it?
--- Quote from: Quantus on September 21, 2012, 02:03:09 PM ---The WG was on the ground floor of Creation, by WOJ (as a corollary to the WOJ that says Uriel was the Senior VP of Creation)
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Just because Tim Cook is CEO of Apple doesn't mean Steve Jobs wasn't CEO first. Similarly, Uriel's current job does not tell us what the power structure was at the birth of Creation.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: wyltok on September 21, 2012, 02:55:26 PM ---Just because Tim Cook is CEO of Apple doesn't mean Steve Jobs wasn't CEO first. Similarly, Uriel's current job does not tell us what the power structure was at the birth of Creation.
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That is true I suppose. I was interpreting Creation as the activity, rather than the resulting product.
Sheaman3773:
--- Quote from: Quantus on September 21, 2012, 02:03:09 PM ---Belief Empowers Deities, not quite the same thing. And thats just how it works for entities that have adopted those roles, like Odin or the Red King. The WG was on the ground floor of Creation, by WOJ (as a corollary to the WOJ that says Uriel was the Senior VP of Creation)
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Point of order: that's not precisely what the WoJ says.
--- Quote ---The presence of an Archangel, essentially an executive VP of Creation, probably had something to do with it.
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People confuse the indefinite article for the definite one and then over-inflate the significance.
But that's not my point. I saw absolutely nothing in the text to indicate that the Odin we met was not the original Odin, and unless I'm forgetting something, nothing to indicate that the Reds weren't the original Mayan gods besides a moment of speculation from Harry "Unreliable-Narrator" Dresden. If there was textual support for that, please remind me of where it is.
So, given that we (currently) have no proof that Odin is any less real than TWG beyond Judaism, Christianity, and Islam being so very much more popular, that implies that the various creation myths are all true too, Susanoo and the backs of turtles right along with the Let There Be Light. So why must TWG be the only one who created the universe? I suppose it's possible that whichever religion produces the strongest deity at the moment could be the "true" story of creation at that time, but frankly that's a little distasteful, at least to me.
And, finally--we know that belief can create power wholesale, ala the Shroud of Turin. Does it really seem impossible to you that in the DV, thousands and millions and billions of people all believing in a deity couldn't make it come into existence?
Sheaman3773:
--- Quote from: wyltok on September 21, 2012, 02:55:26 PM ---Sheaman3773, do you happen to remember where that's from? I've been looking for it for months, to no avail (mostly because The Curious Fan challenged me to find it, and I failed). Could you please point me to it?
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I'll try to remember where I saw it--I'm doing a read-through as research for a fanfic I'm plotting, if I see it I'll try to remember to come back and post it here.
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