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Questions for Jim 2012 style 2
wyltok:
--- Quote from: Quantus on September 21, 2012, 03:07:24 PM ---That is true I suppose. I was interpreting Creation as the activity, rather than the resulting product.
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... Huh, I totally didn't see it that way (I blame Exalted). If your version is right, my perspective will definitely be turned on its head. On the other hand, I don't think we should bother Jim with questions like this one. I'd rather concentrate on more interesting stuff.
--- Quote from: Sheaman3773 on September 21, 2012, 03:13:39 PM ---But that's not my point. I saw absolutely nothing in the text to indicate that the Odin we met was not the original Odin, and unless I'm forgetting something, nothing to indicate that the Reds weren't the original Mayan gods besides a moment of speculation from Harry "Unreliable-Narrator" Dresden. If there was textual support for that, please remind me of where it is.
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Well, I don't know about Odin, but let's not forget the part when a possessed Murph called the Lords of Outer Night false gods, pretenders, and usurpers of truth. I figured their crimes against the Mayans included lying about being their gods.
--- Quote from: Sheaman3773 on September 21, 2012, 03:13:39 PM ---And, finally--we know that belief can create power wholesale, ala the Shroud of Turin. Does it really seem impossible to you that in the DV, thousands and millions and billions of people all believing in a deity couldn't make it come into existence?
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Ms. Duck used to call this the "by His bootstraps" hypothesis: basically, belief creates the White God in the present, the White God travels into the past, creates the World so that belief will exist to create Him in the present.
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
Are we considering the "executive VP of Creation" status of an archangel as qualitatively different from the scale of "used to be responsible for a significant chunk of creation" associated with capital-D Dragons ? (I'm pretty sure Michael says something like this about Ferro in GP; can;t check the text now as I'm in work, alas.)
Second Aristh:
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on September 21, 2012, 03:41:33 PM ---Are we considering the "executive VP of Creation" status of an archangel as qualitatively different from the scale of "used to be responsible for a significant chunk of creation" associated with capital-D Dragons ? (I'm pretty sure Michael says something like this about Ferro in GP; can;t check the text now as I'm in work, alas.)
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I can't check the GP text, but we do have this WoJ
--- Quote ---6. ferrovax - is this because he's the OLDEST dragon? (i thought it was an empty boast) or because he's a dragon?
Ferrovax feels absolutely no need to boast. It's because he /is/ a Dragon, large D, an elemental force of the cosmos. He isn't some kind of Smaug hanging around a nice apartment. He's a Dragon in a more Asian sense of the concept, a semi-divine being who was once given authority over various portions of the mortal universe, and who was responsible for their orderly procession. There /are/ Smauglike dragons (though not nearly as many now as there have been in the past, thanks George!) but they are essentially nothing but emissaries and servitors created in the image of the real thing.
Regardless of big D or little d, dragons almost universally resent humanity for usurping the balance of power in the world.
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Personally, I view "Senior VP of Creation" vs "Semi-Divine Being Once Given Authority over Various Portions of the Mortal Universe" as being peers, possibly peers as in Mab and Erlking are peers or possibly peers as in Mab and Titania are peers.
wyltok:
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on September 21, 2012, 03:41:33 PM ---Are we considering the "executive VP of Creation" status of an archangel as qualitatively different from the scale of "used to be responsible for a significant chunk of creation" associated with capital-D Dragons ? (I'm pretty sure Michael says something like this about Ferro in GP; can;t check the text now as I'm in work, alas.)
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Actually, It's from a WoJ. Here's what King Ash said the last time I brought up this comparison (Quantus proceeded to agree with King Ash on his next post):
--- Quote from: King Ash on August 11, 2012, 03:00:20 AM ---I don't believe that Ferrovax is ever described in WOJ as being on a level of being a VIP of creation. We are told that it is a force of nature once in control over various portions of the mortal universe and that they resent humans for upsetting the balance of power. This says nothing more than being on par with Faerie Queens who are in control of portions of the universe, specifically winter and summer (on this planet at least). The fact that he resents humanity strongly suggests to me that he is not a uinversal force as humans haven't reached that level yet that we know of.
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Personally, I'm with Second Aristh on this one (he also ninja'd me).
KevinSig:
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on September 21, 2012, 12:57:54 PM ---Fallen lie.
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Possible, but its also possible that some were there from the start & some came along afterwards. Also, muck is such a generic term that it could apply to thing other than the primordial soup.
I don't think we should just assume everything they say is false, just becase they are Fallen.
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