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Reference: X compared to Y = possible Discrepancy?
Serack:
Ziggelly, you mind putting the kemmler stuff in a separate post so I can link to it on it's own?
Ziggelly:
Certainly. Kemmler stuff, take two:
--- Quote from: DB ---"He was best known for World War One... There were about a hundred and fifty years of engineering built into it, and he had his fingers into all kinds of pies. He vanished at the end of hostilities and didn't show up again until he started animating mass graves during
World War Two. Went on rampages out in Eastern Europe, where things were pretty much a nightmare even without his help. Nobody is sure how many people he killed... After what the guy did, the White Council hunted him down and wiped his dusty ass out in 1961... They killed him pretty good. A bunch of times. He'd shown up again after the Wardens had killed him early in the nineteenth century, so they were real careful the second time. And good riddance to the psychotic bastard."
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--- Quote from: GS ---Kemmler had fought the entire White Council in an all-out war. Twice. They killed him seven times over the course of both wars, but it didn’t take until number seven... [he] had apparently been killed for good sometime during World War II.
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Those two accounts seem fairly different, don't you think? I mean, I wouldn't consider 1961 as being even close to "during" WW2, as has been pointed out. Also, the first quote seems to imply that he only came back from the dead once, and that they only tried to kill him twice, while the second explicitly says that it was seven times. Plus, I mean... WW1 and 2 would probably be more considered wars against general humanity, rather than just the Council, right? ???
The last one's probably me nitpicking the text to death. But whatever. I thought I'd include it anyway.
knnn:
--- Quote from: Ziggelly on June 26, 2012, 01:48:54 AM ---*Shrug.* I'll do it.
* Urumviel (who is killed by Harry)
* One that Kincaid kills - Varthiel/Ordiel/McKullen (1/5)
* Another one that Kincaid kills- Varthiel/Ordiel/McKullen (2/5)
* Another Kincaid kill - Varthiel/Ordiel/McKullen (3/5)
* One that Ivy took care of
* Shaggy-Feathers one that Kincaid kills (4/5)
* Obsidian statue one that Kincaid kills (5/5)
* One that Luccio killed (1/2)
* One that Luccio killed (2/2)
* One that Michael/Sanya killed (1/2)
* One that Michael/Sanya killed (2/2)
* Random drowned DenarianTwelve bodies. Eleven coins. The rest of the scene completely ignores the coin that Ivy stamped her foot on after she turned it to ash (Harry just picks her up and runs, leaving it there, I guess), though, so it's not unlikely that Jim forgot about it, or didn't add that little part in until later. For argument's sake, I guess the drowned body might just have been a minion... because, really, how likely is it that one of the uber-tough-and-durable Denarians would be drowned to death? Seriously.
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Thanks!
As I recall, the issue is even worse if you assume that first guys Kincaid snipes (on screen) are not Varthiel/Ordiel/McKullen. The bodies are right there in front of Tessa, so it seems weird they'd feel the need to point it out.
Also, there's the revealing "Varthiel and Ordiel are down and McKullen is dead". Either McKullen is a "dangerous denarian" (hence using the host name), or that's the name of the goon.
Finally, there's that weird thing about Michael knowing a-priori how many denarians are dead, despite the fact he has the wrong number of bodies and coins. I suppose you could explain that one using "the boss said so".
--- Quote from: Ziggelly on June 26, 2012, 01:48:54 AM ---There was a detailed thread on it a couple of days ago, specifically for you.
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That was me. Thanks for linking it.
Ziggelly:
--- Quote from: knnn on June 26, 2012, 03:18:30 AM ---Thanks!
As I recall, the issue is even worse if you assume that first guys Kincaid snipes (on screen) are not Varthiel/Ordiel/McKullen. The bodies are right there in front of Tessa, so it seems weird they'd feel the need to point it out.
Also, there's the revealing "Varthiel and Ordiel are down and McKullen is dead". Either McKullen is a "dangerous denarian" (hence using the host name), or that's the name of the goon.
Finally, there's that weird thing about Michael knowing a-priori how many denarians are dead, despite the fact he has the wrong number of bodies and coins. I suppose you could explain that one using "the boss said so".
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Oh, wow.
I didn't even look at the part of the scene where Harry adds the coin from the drowned guy and one of the Kincaid-killed-them guys, without altering the final coin-count at all.
Yeah, I'm not trying to rationalize this anymore. I'm just going to with my good friend Occam, throw my hands up in the air, and ask the Mighty Jim why he does this to me. ::)
He's so... not detail-oriented. It makes everything so stressful for those of us who make lists and are kinda OCD and tend to over-analyze wayyy too much. It's almost like he's just focusing on the story and plot and characters and silly things like that rather than the miniscule details that almost nobody actually ever catches until read-throughs or even really care about anyway because in all probability they completely lack any actual relevence.
*Sigh.*
knnn:
--- Quote from: Ziggelly on June 26, 2012, 06:06:57 AM ---I didn't even look at the part of the scene where Harry adds the coin from the drowned guy and one of the Kincaid-killed-them guys, without altering the final coin-count at all.
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:)
I don't know if I'd go as far as saying it's as bad as that. Remember that the Denarians are specifically the guys Michael was designed to fight, so it's possible he either "sensed" their numbers before the fight (though this would beg the question of why he didn't warn Harry he was walking into a trap), or possibly he got divine info about number of denarian casualties after the battle. It's not that far fetched; remember that he asks about Kincaid (knowing if Kincaid will survive seems less "mission oriented" than knowing how much of the opposition has been disabled).
Still, I agree with you that there is a possible difficulty in the text. That's the reason I brought it up for the discrepancy list in the first place.
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