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Reference: X compared to Y = possible Discrepancy?
knnn:
--- Quote from: Gigglestomp on May 01, 2014, 04:38:46 PM ---Or one of the place's many connections, connected to Thomas who had had a negative experience there. Harry opened a portal to "Thomas" for lack of a better word. Thomas was standing by to cross over using the same connection.
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But then why did Thomas have to go anywhere? Opening a portal to "Thomas" should work no matter where Thomas is standing in the Nevernever.
Then you have the implications. Why should it only work on Thomas? If Marcone was in the NN, would Harry be able to open a portal from Demonreach directly to Marcone? After all, he had similar traumatic experience there. How about opening a portal from the place on the island where Molly became the Winter Lady directly to Molly?
Gigglestomp:
--- Quote from: knnn on May 01, 2014, 04:40:21 PM ---Yup, GP establishes that Thomas can open portals in certain places.
The timing had to be in Harry's control, so I guess he thought doing it himself would be easier/faster. Harry having an image of Thomas in mind means that you have to posit that the portal spell can also link to dynamic targets on the fly. That spell is now becoming *really* versatile.
You can still find enough wiggle room to make it all plausible, but...
Maybe.
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It's not really the spell thats versitile. I look at it like "Reality is versitile". Basically reality changes connections constantly. All the spell does is capitalize on a connection specified.
Example: Harry opens a portal using a connection to thomas - > the connection was already established by reality, the spell needed to do none of this - > the portal follows the connection - > the gate to the NN opens and Thomas is standing on the other side.
Gigglestomp:
--- Quote from: knnn on May 01, 2014, 04:44:13 PM ---But then why did Thomas have to go anywhere? Opening a portal to "Thomas" should work no matter where Thomas is standing in the Nevernever.
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Yep! But Thomas had to get into the Nevernever at a place close to his own heart - probably a brothel or a strip club. So he had to open it in a certain place. Once he was there though, this connection should be viable.
--- Quote from: knnn on May 01, 2014, 04:44:13 PM ---Then you have the implications. Why should it only work on Thomas? If Marcone was in the NN, would Harry be able to open a portal from Demonreach directly to Marcone? After all, he had similar traumatic experience there. How about opening a portal from the place on the island where Molly became the Winter Lady directly to Molly?
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Yes, I think so. That seems correct. At least based on my theory. Which is just a theory. They would have to be in the NN though for the protal to be created.
This could spell bad news in some cases. For example, if someone wanted to get to Ivy while she was in the Nevernever, there is no place she could hide. As long as they knew where *exactly* to start from, and then capitalized on the traumatic connection ivy experienced, they could theoretically open a protal right to her, wherever she was. Unless she somehow overcame the trauma and the place was no longer significant to her.
Tami Seven:
Alright, so there are two components to opening a portal into the NeverNever. First is intent/destination, knowing where you want to go. Second is location, the sympathetic alignment of Real World locations with their NeverNever equivalents.
In WN, Thomas had to travel through the NeverNever to get to the Deeps. He couldn't just open a direct portal that lead straight to the Deeps from some other RW location. Only someone with the power of Odin or Mab could do that. So, Thomas knew his destination, he knew where to enter the NeverNever and what path to take. He could have even opened the portal to Deeps himself.
Harry had it trickier. He didn't know what was on the other side of the portal, only that whatever it was someone would be waiting there for him. Thomas found the location with the strongest Sympathetic alignment to the Deeps, Harry simply opened the portal between the two. It may have helped that he knew Thomas would be there.
So, I had it backwards. Harry didn't have to do much. Thomas was the one who lead Marcone and Karrin and company to the exact spot where he knew the portal would appear.
knnn:
--- Quote from: Tami Seven on May 01, 2014, 05:06:33 PM ---So, I had it backwards. Harry didn't have to do much. Thomas was the one who lead Marcone and Karrin and company to the exact spot where he knew the portal would appear.
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I don't have the books in front of me, but did Harry open a portal in the exact spot the near-sacrifice took place?
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