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PG: combining Neurovore and Knnn.
Elegast:
--- Quote from: Be on May 07, 2012, 01:21:21 AM ---how can thw scarecrow be an outsider when it says in the book it has served Mab since before Haarry's (or mortals) time
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Because he's not an outsider. He's just boosted by power from the Outside.
Vairelome:
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on May 07, 2012, 01:15:32 AM ---I am operating on the basis that a power as dark as whatever is behind the athame, that appears most likely Outsidery
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I don't follow the train of logic that leads to this conclusion. The athame certainly has dark associations (according to the WoJ that nailed down it's historical reference), but I don't recall any evidence for an Outsider linkage.
Now, I certainly agree with the next step in your logic. If the athame has an Outsider power-linkage, then significant negative effects on the wielder are highly likely. However, I don't see why you wouldn't call those effects "corruption," especially if you are describing Lea's mental state while she was frozen in Arctis Tor. Something had clearly messed with the inside of her head. Given her reactions, "twisted by dark magic" sounds like a perfectly valid explanation.
Lea acquired the athame and (presumably) used it offscreen at some point. Some time later, Lea appeared to be suffering from the corrupting effects of some dark source of power, maybe Outsider-linked. There are two relatively obvious potential sources of this damage/corruption: the athame itself, or whatever Lea was doing with the athame. Since the athame isn't a vector of corruption (WoJ), I'd like to know more about what exactly Lea was doing with the athame. "Trying to overthrow Mab" is one idea, but that theory depends on the athame acting as a corrupting influence, so I don't buy it. "Fighting--and losing to--something powerful and Outsidery" better fits the data, in my opinion.
King Ash:
I don't think the fetch was outsider boosted. When it first meets Harry in Arctis Tor it tells him to see if his fire can work in the Heart of Winter. Given the cold comment it seems likely that it is due to winter powers that the fire dies out rather than outsider powers. And later Harry seems sure it is still a fetch, just one granted great power or talent enough to exceed its former status.
While this could be due to outsiders I get the impression it is just because it is an old strong fetch.
TheCuriousFan:
Didn't that cold power also block a massive force blast at one point? It seems less fire resistance and more magic resistance to me.
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
--- Quote from: Vairelome on May 07, 2012, 02:15:44 AM ---I don't follow the train of logic that leads to this conclusion. The athame certainly has dark associations (according to the WoJ that nailed down it's historical reference), but I don't recall any evidence for an Outsider linkage.
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It coming from Cowl, who when he's not out there faking Darkhallows to kill off Kemmlerites, is pretty much an Outsider sort of guy.
--- Quote ---However, I don't see why you wouldn't call those effects "corruption," especially if you are describing Lea's mental state while she was frozen in Arctis Tor. Something had clearly messed with the inside of her head. Given her reactions, "twisted by dark magic" sounds like a perfectly valid explanation.
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because I think "possession" looks like a much better word.
--- Quote ---Lea acquired the athame and (presumably) used it offscreen at some point. Some time later, Lea appeared to be suffering from the corrupting effects of some dark source of power, maybe Outsider-linked. There are two relatively obvious potential sources of this damage/corruption: the athame itself, or whatever Lea was doing with the athame. Since the athame isn't a vector of corruption (WoJ), I'd like to know more about what exactly Lea was doing with the athame. "Trying to overthrow Mab" is one idea, but that theory depends on the athame acting as a corrupting influence, so I don't buy it. "Fighting--and losing to--something powerful and Outsidery" better fits the data, in my opinion.
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Interesting line of thought.
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