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Who recruited and trained Victor Sells?
Elegast:
Your theory is quite convincing.
I see only one problem:
--- Quote --- I had assumed he was feeding from you and had you under his influence, but after I listened to the security tape from the portrait gallery I was delighted. Both of Margaret's sons. I finally will escape her ridiculous little binding, remove a troublesome thorn in my side-"
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Raith didn't know that Harry was Thomas brother. Or he lied.
Phariah:
BC trained him. i mean that talking in his room is probably a similar communication Vitto used in undertown. wether it was Raith or someone else is unknown.
this sounds like a RCV and WCV operation. Reds were making a move that Bianca had no idea about. also the demon summoning and using emotions in rituals sounds similar to Raith it can be gained from somewhere else. but for the overall theory it can be Raith also. Reds want to move in on Marcone, this also fits in on the BCouncil's goals. this is done w/out Bianca's knowledge.
Sells using a RCV ritual scaled down or given the heart curse to test it out. 3-eye could have come from the RCV or BC. could be why later on we see Raith not really supporting the RCV. he might have been pissed losing a sorcerer that the RCV was supposed to be protecting. he than sends Thomas to back Ortega in the duel in DM. sorta slap in ortega's face.
also how Morgan was sent fo quickly to Chicago and is on Dresden's ass directly. could be Peabody's influence to help Sells. Morgan w/ ink tuned emotions directed at Dresden, perfect distraction.
when Lara took over the WCV it took them from the BC coalition. this is what led to WN. Cowl wanted to get the WCV back.
Thork:
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Also note that the primary targets were a Red Court controlled prostitute and Marcone's bodyguard -- both entities moving in on Raith's traditional field, lust.
Even if Raith didn't have Maggie Lefay's bloodline curse worked out yet and didn't know about Harry, Victor Sells' actions would be a great way to move against Marcone and the Red Court (I think it's probably a mistake to think of the Black Council as perfectly unified).
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: derrick on April 22, 2012, 07:23:02 AM ---Good post. You dug up more evidence than I did. ;D
What I'm curious about is how Papa Raith got ahold of the blood curse that the Red Court set up in Changes (or how The RC got it from Papa Raith.)
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I originally assumed Mavra was responsible for Sells, because she seems to have been responsible for training Bianca. But to approach and train Sells, she would have had to used an impressive fleshmask or illusion, simply to approach him.
Raith, if he owned the company, could have met him through work, shaking a hand here and there, and realizing Sells' potential.
So my current theory is that Mavra taught Bianca magic, and Raith taught Sells. The bloodline curse sounds like something Raith would know, since the family is (presumably) Etruscan. If you combine steriotypes like Italian blood fueds and the evident 'honor' inherent in the Raith self-perception, a bloodline curse that would take out an entire enemy family would make sense. The fact that Mavra has been around long enough to learn it also makes sense, especially if she and Raith know each other.
--- Quote from: Elegast on April 22, 2012, 11:02:03 AM ---Your theory is quite convincing.
I see only one problem:
--- Quote ---I had assumed he was feeding from you and had you under his influence, but after I listened to the security tape from the portrait gallery I was delighted. Both of Margaret's sons. I finally will escape her ridiculous little binding, remove a troublesome thorn in my side-"
--- End quote ---
Raith didn't know that Harry was Thomas brother. Or he lied.
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That opens up more questions about the entire plot. Namely, why didn't Raith kill Thomas the instant he suspected LeFay's curse? According to Thomas, Raith's attempts to kill him over the years were more in line with his standard policy on male offspring, rather than some deliberate attack to stop the curse. So Raith must have just recently thought of the possibility. Which, of course, would invalidate the motivation of killing Harry in SF to remove the curse. But killing a local WC wizard using a cats paw would follow the WCV's profile, and would be beneficial to his Cabal of Evil. Especially if there were future plans for the Chicago area.
--- Quote from: Thork on April 22, 2012, 12:51:04 PM ---Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Also note that the primary targets were a Red Court controlled prostitute and Marcone's bodyguard -- both entities moving in on Raith's traditional field, lust.
Even if Raith didn't have Maggie Lefay's bloodline curse worked out yet and didn't know about Harry, Victor Sells' actions would be a great way to move against Marcone and the Red Court (I think it's probably a mistake to think of the Black Council as perfectly unified).
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I don't see where the 3I is an attack on the Reds. Marcone had a stanglehold on crime in Chicago. The 3I ring challenged his ring, and would have compromised his status. That in turn would have opened up Chicagoland to the Reds. Especially if theres a drug out there that opens new potentials to the Reds. If people get addicted to one magical drug, they'd probably more susceptible to RCV venom. The only way I see it challenging the Reds is that it runs the risk of letting the 3I users to see th RCV's true form, rather than their fleshmask illusion.
kokolores:
Obviously someone belonging to the Black Council. Question is who. Raith would be a good guess, however I think he got taken out of play too early for him to assume that role.
It could be Cowl, but I don't think so. Cowl didn't really become aware of Harry until DB. Before then he didn't really care about him and from what we have seen of him Cowl doesn't seem the type to engineer something relatively lowlevel like Victor and the Hexenwulfen.
I personally think there is some divine or atleast immortal entity behind it. I think whoever is behind it was trying to shape Harry as a weapon for the dark side. He or she wanted to corrupt Harry by tempting him with power. But an entity of such power and with the foreknowledge it would require wouldn't do stuff like that personally. Even if it wasn't under a restriction preventing it from actually doing it like all the other beings of that magnitude seem to be. So instead it probably send an underling to do it. Mavra would fit the bill, but so would many others.
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