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Dark influences on Harry
Cruness:
--- Quote from: Serack on March 20, 2012, 03:01:58 PM ---I actually included that one into the 2ndary list.
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Why yes you did, Sorry about that. I blame morning.
wyltok:
--- Quote from: Paladino on March 20, 2012, 10:47:08 AM ---Harry ressurect Sue's? I know she isn't human but, its necromancy anyway.
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Seconding this. Since one of the reasons Harry did this was to surround himself with a "field of necromantic energy " strong enough to survive approaching the Darkhallow Vortex of Doom (tm), it may have left some sort of stain on him afterward.
Not sure if anyone's mentioned his pyrofuego spell in Grave Peril. He's had nightmares about the fact that he didn't care that there were humans still around when he threw it (meaning, he may have killed them with magic, breaking the first law... again).
On a more mundane example of something that stained him (like dimpwnc's), I would mention the whole situation with Trixie Vixen and Co. in Blood Rites. The whole book reads as a study on what TvTropes calls "What measure is a Non-human", with the Black and White Court vampires in one side, and the coven of porn star sorcerers in the other.
--- Quote from: Blood Rites --- "Trixie," I said. "You can't possibly think that this is all right. Why are you doing this?"
"I'm protecting what's mine, Larry," she said. "It's business."
"Business?" I demanded. "Two people are dead already. Giselle and Jake were at death's door, and I don't even want to think about what would have happened to Inari if I weren't there. What the fuck do you think you're doing?"
"I don't feel any need to explain myself to you."
I blinked at her slowly and then said, "You don't know either. You don't know who he's marrying."
She didn't say anything, but her eyes blazed with scorn and fury.
I shook my head, continuing. "So you've just been eliminating all the women around Arturo Genosa. One at a time. You don't even know if you're killing the right person."
"There's only one little girl toy left pretty enough to suit his tastes," she said.
"Emma," I said.
"And once she's gone, I won't have to worry about her stealing what's mine."
I stared at her for a second. "Are you insane?" I said. "Do you think you'll get away with this?"
"I'd love to see some prosecutor try me for witchcraft," she responded.
Trixie was too stupid to believe me about the White Council and too self-absorbed to keep my name straight, but for crying out loud, she had to be human. "Hell's bells, Trixie. Emma's got kids."
"So did Hitler," Trixie snapped.
"No, he didn't," I said. "He had dogs."
"Whatever," Trixie said.
[...]
The adrenaline rushed through me, wild and mindless.
I wanted to kill her.
A lot.
I hadn't ever felt that before-a sudden surge of fury, contempt, and disdain mixed in with a physical excitement only a few degrees short of actual arousal. It wasn't an emotion. It was nothing that tame and limited. It was a force, a dark and vast tide that picked me up and swept me along like a Styrofoam packing peanut. And I liked it.
There was something in me that took a deep and gloating satisfaction in seeing my enemy on the floor and helpless. That part of me wanted to see her screaming. And then see her die screaming.
[...]
I stared at Trixie for a hot, wild second, and the look choked her continued shrieks to whimpers. Trixie may have been female, but as of that moment she wasn't a woman anymore. She'd crossed a line. As far as I was concerned, she and her allies had forfeited their membership card to the humanity club when they killed Emma.
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Richard_Chilton:
--- Quote from: dimpwnc on March 20, 2012, 11:27:14 AM ----I don't know if it's too amorphous and un-magicky to count, but his kills in DB seem to haunt him during PG and beyond:
[Murph:]"You look like you're bleeding, somehow...you killed them. It's eating at you....You made the choice cold...[in reference to her own killing of Denton]...but it made me feel stained. To take a life." (PG, 99-100)
[Harry:]"I've never killed, man. Not like that. Cold."...[Michael, in response:]"You feel like nothing is ever going to be right again...you feel stained." (PG, 385)
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My reading of that is that the killing hit him harder than picking up the coin. With the coin, Harry had excuses. He had to pick it before Little Harry picked it up, he was fighting the coin's influence, he wasn't planing to use it - he had lots of excuses for that one. For the murder - he had no excuses. He had killed someone and couldn't find an excuse or rationalization for that.
When he was alone with Micheal he poured out his heart to the Knight about the murder. He had a real heart to heart. The coin thing was more of an after thought with him - and Harry seemed surprised by that.
His first killing in cold blood - that hit him hard. Very hard. Without that, I don't think he could have forced himself to kill Susan.
Richard
DragonEyes:
--- Quote from: Richard_Chilton on March 20, 2012, 04:37:23 PM ---My reading of that is that the killing hit him harder than picking up the coin. With the coin, Harry had excuses. He had to pick it before Little Harry picked it up, he was fighting the coin's influence, he wasn't planing to use it - he had lots of excuses for that one. For the murder - he had no excuses. He had killed someone and couldn't find an excuse or rationalization for that.
When he was alone with Micheal he poured out his heart to the Knight about the murder. He had a real heart to heart. The coin thing was more of an after thought with him - and Harry seemed surprised by that.
His first killing in cold blood - that hit him hard. Very hard. Without that, I don't think he could have forced himself to kill Susan.
Richard
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See, I never liked that part. It wasn't his first cold blooded killing. He killed Grevanes drummer (for the life of me I can't remember his name). Granted, the guy had been cutting on him, so it wasn't exactly without cause, but it was certainly a killing not in self-defence. He was already safe by then. Also granted, it was Mouse that did the killing, but Harry was the mind behind the deed.
Not trying to get into an argument about the nature of the killing of slate, but imho Harry is wrong about it being his first cold killing, even if it was a step about what he'd done before.
Paladino:
--- Quote from: DragonEyes on March 20, 2012, 04:48:33 PM ---See, I never liked that part. It wasn't his first cold blooded killing. He killed Grevanes drummer (for the life of me I can't remember his name). Granted, the guy had been cutting on him, so it wasn't exactly without cause, but it was certainly a killing not in self-defence. He was already safe by then. Also granted, it was Mouse that did the killing, but Harry was the mind behind the deed.
Not trying to get into an argument about the nature of the killing of slate, but imho Harry is wrong about it being his first cold killing, even if it was a step about what he'd done before.
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Thats the murder Richard is talking about... Not Slate
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