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Re: Weird - caught us in mid conversation.
« Reply #840 on: February 16, 2012, 03:49:19 AM »
Descartes answered "logic", A8.

*Feels like nobody read her previous post on the subject*
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Re: Weird - caught us in mid conversation.
« Reply #841 on: February 16, 2012, 03:50:08 AM »
Aww it works better when people are here. I say do you see this window here? when they say yes i just stare and raise my arms as to say well theres your proof
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« Reply #842 on: February 16, 2012, 03:51:05 AM »
Well, what do we have?

We have our sensory information/ experience

Our intuition

Logic (consistency, entailment)

Some argue that language itself can tell us something of the true nature of the universe.  I haven't sytudied this myself, but It's an interesting theory.  I've heard the compressed version.
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« Reply #843 on: February 16, 2012, 03:52:04 AM »
It isn't a real answer its a trap, and kind of funny
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Re: Weird - caught us in mid conversation.
« Reply #844 on: February 16, 2012, 03:52:51 AM »
Yes, it's funny  :)
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Re: Weird - caught us in mid conversation.
« Reply #845 on: February 16, 2012, 03:55:30 AM »
The truth is that we don't have a whole lot to work with..  At the end of the day everything is debatable.

Falling back on science doesnt help, either, because science doesn't really tell us much about the nature of the universe.  It tells us about thinkgs within the universe, and how the physical stuff interacts, but that's all derived from observation.  Senses.  Unreliable

And yes, Dina.  I read your posts.  We're going a mile a minute again.  I'm typing faster than I can think..  Which is what I normally do, anyway, but I'm typing 3 times as fast as i can think tonight
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Re: Weird - caught us in mid conversation.
« Reply #846 on: February 16, 2012, 03:57:15 AM »
I would like to examine these bombs.

And yes, it very much looks like we are a series of chemical processes that think.  Epistemologically speaking, we can never be 100% sure of this, though.  We know from experience that things are not as they appear.  My keyboard looks like a solid object, but in reality it's a network of bajillions of tiny things called molecules that are buzzing around like bees!  How are we to know that that's the end of it?

Stand outside, with the sun shining down on your face, a cool breeze blowing at your back. Feel the warmth and the chill, synergistic, stimulating neural pathways up and down your spine.

Think of the stirring in your chest when you see a beautiful woman.

Imagine the cries of victory and the swelling of pride when you've finally overcome the obstacles that have plagued you.

The loss of a loved one, taken too early, the wrenching pain in your gut.

Electrons and protons may make up the world, and cells may swarm together to create a being, but these are the things that define our lives.

We are alive because we feel.

Alternatively, being gifted with a responsive and chemically efficient neural network defines life. Birth, growth, reproduce, and die. Let the chemical reactions run to completion, to the final product, a cold, shriveled shell.

Dina- I consider logic to be purely a human construct, just as good and evil are. What creation of man, logic in this case, dares to define the miracle of my life?
And I read it too, Dina. My excuse is the same as Don's. We're moving pretty darn fast here.
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Re: Weird - caught us in mid conversation.
« Reply #847 on: February 16, 2012, 03:59:03 AM »
Thanks for reading it, Don!
We could slow down if you want. I won't post again until 5 minutes pass.
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Re: Weird - caught us in mid conversation.
« Reply #848 on: February 16, 2012, 03:59:31 AM »
Ok side note i read that in Samuel L Jacksons voice, your avatar it just too fitting for this topic
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Re: Weird - caught us in mid conversation.
« Reply #849 on: February 16, 2012, 04:03:52 AM »
That's all very romantic, Ark..  but it isn't a philosophical argument.

And also, logic is more of a discovery than an invention. 
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Re: Weird - caught us in mid conversation.
« Reply #850 on: February 16, 2012, 04:06:14 AM »
I agree, Don.

Ok, I was surprised for the lack of reaction to the D&D part  ;)

(another 5 minutes of silence)
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Re: Weird - caught us in mid conversation.
« Reply #851 on: February 16, 2012, 04:09:39 AM »
That's all very romantic, Ark..  but it isn't a philosophical argument.

And also, logic is more of a discovery than an invention.

Truth be told, I'm bad at Philosophy. I've never been able to wrap my head around the point of it.
I once had to write a paper on the subject of nothingness. It made no sense to me. So I turned in a blank sheet of paper and got an A. Refer to my First Law (in the sig)  ;)

Well, logic was created by man, was it not? In a reality without humans, there is not logic, which I find to be subjective on an individual basis.

What constitutes a philosophical argument, anyway? Is it not all subjective? The ravings and musings of a higher mind trying to make sense of a cold reality they can't transcend?
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Re: Weird - caught us in mid conversation.
« Reply #852 on: February 16, 2012, 04:09:47 AM »
I was never a D&D player.  It was interesting to hear, though.
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Re: Weird - caught us in mid conversation.
« Reply #853 on: February 16, 2012, 04:11:44 AM »
Yes, for example http://dnd-wiki.org/wiki/Solipsistic_Sanity_(3.5e_Feat)

And the question of what is a phylosophical question is very interesting indeed.
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Re: Weird - caught us in mid conversation.
« Reply #854 on: February 16, 2012, 04:14:42 AM »
I know this reality is not figment of my imagination. Simulations, that can be. My imagination? Not so good to create the poetry of Shakespeare and Ms. Duck at the same time.

I can only say thank you  :D
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