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A Fallen scorned (GS spoilers)
Paladino:
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on September 13, 2011, 08:12:24 PM ---I see no reason to suspect Uriel would tell Harry if he had more intervention planned.
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Sorry neuro, but in your view of Uriel you see no reason for him to do anything and everything according to some master plan he hides from everyone because in true hes not such a nice guy...
I personally belive that since these Lasciel actions, would be all part of the final whispering with the objective of getting Harry suicide, and that Harry was the object of the cheating and such information would be important to Harry making a fully informed and free decision in the end of GS I feel Uriel as guardian of the mortals free will would feel comppelled to share it.
Rogue_Nine:
Not necessarily. The only reason Harry got a tour of his loved ones is because he backed Uriel into a corner (as much as he could) and demanded it. Before that, Uriel was already pushing him to go ahead and make a decision. There's nothing in the text or in a WOJ that I can personally bring to mind that tells us Uriel has, is, or ever will act with Harry's best interests at heart. Harry is one human being; a rather important one, true, but still only one guy. Uriel's tasks and responsibilities extend to....Well, basically everywhere, as an archangel. So Heaven's Spook wouldn't have any particular reason to feel compelled to tell Harry anything just because.
contraducktory:
--- Quote from: Rogue_Nine on September 13, 2011, 08:57:37 PM ---Not necessarily. The only reason Harry got a tour of his loved ones is because he backed Uriel into a corner (as much as he could) and demanded it. Before that, Uriel was already pushing him to go ahead and make a decision.
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Uriel could still have said no, to this, but being a 'good guy' decided that it didn't hurt anything. But, if Lash/Lasciel, did need more balancing, this could have been part of that as well.
--- Quote ---There's nothing in the text or in a WOJ that I can personally bring to mind that tells us Uriel has, is, or ever will act with Harry's best interests at heart. Harry is one human being; a rather important one, true, but still only one guy.
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I expect that Uriel will act with Harry's best interest at heart, when it serves his plan(s). Soulfire for instance, yes that helps Harry, but when the long game plays out, I bet it helps Uriel more.
--- Quote ---Uriel's tasks and responsibilities extend to....Well, basically everywhere, as an archangel. So Heaven's Spook wouldn't have any particular reason to feel compelled to tell Harry anything just because.
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None of the 'major players', read that as Sidhe Queens, Jim, Angels, Fallen, Jim, Odin, Senior Council, did I mention Jim?, give any knowledge away for free. Knowledge is power, the more Harry has, the more powerful he becomes.
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The only Fallen that we know to operate as a shadow is Anduriel, and I could see him and Nicodemus wanting to get Harry out of the picture.
Yes Lasciel's story isn't done per WoJ. My bet is that Lash was the 'Inez construct' that was seen in Graceland, and that we haven't seen Lasciels nicklehead yet.
Barzai:
--- Quote from: Paladino on September 13, 2011, 07:51:33 PM ---Well the main problem I see with this theorie is that those actions were all Lasciel plan to prepare Harry for the suicide would allow Uriel more counter-balance than only the seven words.. And he speaks nothing of it...
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Well, in only one of those cases does Harry listen to the voice and act differently because of it. He ignores the voice about Thomas, even if it saddens him, and going in to slaughter rampires is hardly against his style (and he still veiled himself in silence on the stairs). He basically tells the voice to shut up in the shower, and then doesn't throw his death curse at the Ick (I see the other voice there as Id Harry more than Uriel, but ymmv).
I like this idea - those little voice mentions had been bothering me, but I hadn't come up with a good explanation. Thank you, Salacia!
Salacia:
I think only the times that resulted in a loss of Harry's free will actually matter as far as retaliation goes for Uriel.
On another note, I'm pretty sure that Uriel wanted Harry to die, considering that Uriel has intellectus and he spoke to Harry after the incident in the church occurred. If he could look at Harry and know about his daughter, he would have known that Harry was going to commit suicide too. He just decided to save his seven words for later. Uriel is like Jim, he gets to torture Harry for the supposed benefit of others.
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