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Ghost Story Book Club - Chapters 46-FINISH **MAJOR SPOILERS**
jen4k2:
--- Quote from: TheWinterEmissary on August 16, 2011, 02:49:08 AM ---Jim could have everyone find out between books, but there should be all sorts of very interesting reactions (like the White Council who probably have made him somewhat hero-ish for wiping out the Reds...)
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AAAAHH! I never considered this. Framing him as a hero postmortem and him coming back... That could be really interesting. Poor Arthur Langtry.
khatre:
I had a thought about the Harry/Molly relationship a couple days after finishing Ghost story and if anyone else has mentioned it i can't seem to find it. so here goes ..
When Uriel gives Harry the dime tour with all of the people Harry loves he can clearly see that Molly would be OK. But the question remains... WHY will she be OK?
I came up with two possible reasons why she was in a much better place than she was prior to Ghost Story.
1) Harry was late and was not all that material when he did it but he finally managed to Show Up. After her father nearly died at Demonsreach she felt kind of cut off and defenseless. Her father, the Indestructable Fist of God, was laid low just as she was getting in the habit of putting her own life in serious danger. The loss of that safety net made her feel very vulnerable. That vulnerable feeling only went away when Harry promised that if she ever needed him he would find a way to Show Up. When push came to shove and Molly was neck deep in her battle with corpstaker he managed to Show Up. All he could give her were a few words and an idea. Those words and the idea saved her life and ended corpstaker true but they are less important than the fact that he had promised to BE THERE when she needed him. She needed him and he was THERE. Come hell or high water he was NOT going to leave here side.
2) Harry believed in her like no one else in here life. Her family believed in her but they can not see the whole picture. Family (especially a family as loving as the carpenters) would never be able to see here darker thoughts and some of the dark paths they would lead her down. Harry shared a soulgaze with her and could see her potential dark path as clearly as day and he still believed in her. He had no illusions. He clearly saw that she could take the laft hand path as easily as the right but he CHOSE to belive that she would take the right path. Time after time he placed his life in her hands and trusted in her ability to help save the day. Simply put he Believed in Her.
In the months before Ghost Story life had not been all that kind to her. She learned how to make tough decisions trying to keep people safe. Every day she could feel herself pulling back tward that dark path that Harry saw in her soulgaze. In the battle with corpstaker he did more than just put his life in her hands he put his eternal soul in her hands. Pain and suffering can leave an indelible mark on someone but Faith, Trust and Love can leave a mark that is just as strong and just as permanent.
His Faith in her helped her believe in herself again. Not just her magic abilities but her ability to do the right thing. No matter how bad things got, no matter what happened, he would ALWAYS Belive in Her.
Molly does not quite see Harry as the night in shining armor (or duster) but thats all to the good. Maby she will accept him as he is instead of who she wants him to be.
Harry does not see Molly as a little girl anymore (or even just his apprentice). He has to see her as a grown woman making her own choices and living with the consequences of those choices.
Both changes were necessary if they were ever going to have an adult relationship.
Sooooo ... do i have any points right? or have i just been reading too much fanfiction recently?
biblio_chica:
New here, but I've enjoyed reading all these posts. I have to say about the Molly/Harry relationship though, I don't think what he did was so unforgivable.
She had to go through this transformation, and in a way he had to put her through it. That's what teachers do. She has to experience things to grow, and she has to make choices and be put in difficult situations to show what she is really made of otherwise she never gains wisdom, nor will she ever be redeemed- just like Harry. It's all very much the same Garden of Eden theme - if you never know, you can't choose, if you can't choose, you are merely a puppet. JB seems very big on Free Will, and Free Will does not mean without cost. Knowledge and wisdom come from a loss of innocence. This is Molly growing up and doing it for herself.
Although, for those who seem to think Harry and Molly are going to get together, I have to say eww. Maybe it's because I am teacher, but that relationship has too much of a power/experience differential. They can never really be equals, even if they are peers. Just like his relationship with EB. The inequality of a relationship like that would be ... well, icky. How could he ever justify that to Michael? If she had been older - as in like an adult when he met her, maybe... the first time we see her she is like 14, and he's known her for years. Harry needs a woman who has her own experience and can challenge him on an equal footing. Unfortunately, he has no equal right now, not in power or experience, except maybe for Lucio and that didn't work out.
Anyway, I love how the characters and relationships evolve, as well as the philosophical underpinnings which get more nuanced and thoughtful with each new book. Looking forward to seeing what he does next!
khatre:
Lucio is something like 250 years older than Harry (that kinda makes the 15 year difference between harry and Molly kinda negligible) and the only thing that stoped it from working was the whole mind manipulation thing. Lucio could not get past it. I am not saying that its unjustified, someone toying with your brain would be alot to just get over. Yet something real for both of them could have come out of it if she had managed it.
As for Harry and Molly getting together ... I do not see it happening. BUT .. Molly has been in love with Harry for a VERRY long time. That kind of love and trust is kinda rare and i would hate to see her heart broken...
Harry and female relationships ...
Emilly ... That boat sailed a long time ago. They are definatly friends ONLY.
Susan ... Hiding their child (and being dead) killed that one.
Lucio ... Can't see the forest for the trees .. or the mind control (thats been totally cleaned up ...).
Lash ... Heeee .... Ewwww! They share the same BRAIN, now thats iky.
Murph ... They have locked each other into their own respective "Friend closets" for so many years now that it would take an act of god to clear out the cobwebs. That is not even considering the fall out when she finds out he arranged his own death (using her boyfirend to do it). Vanilla human and wizzard lifespans make a long term relationship all but impossible. so i dont see that happening either.
Barring the intorduction of a whole new female character ...
Molly is the only person who loves him that he feels any kind of connection and might be able to live a life on a Wizzard Scale.
There are other women but ... Laura? Lea? MAB? I wouldnt wish them on Nick!
He lives his life to protect others. It seems sad that he has to live it Alone. He has friends true but its been 5 maby 6 years since he has had someone warm to cuddle up to on a cold night and we all know how Susan ended. A little bit of happyness is not too much to ask for. Without that kind of connection all he is left with is Dying Alone. Loved but still Alone.
TheCuriousFan:
--- Quote ---Emilly ... That boat sailed a long time ago. They are definatly friends ONLY.
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I don't think there's a major character named emily in this series.
--- Quote ---Lash ... Heeee .... Ewwww! They share the same BRAIN, now thats iky.
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You say icky, I say potentially kinky considering the whole "she can make you feel anything or look like anyone" angle.
--- Quote ---Laura?
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Its Lara, and all he needs is to learn Lea's "put the Hunger to sleep" spell to avoid being eaten.
--- Quote ---Lea?
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Lea is rather unlikely, she does appear to care for him in her own way though.
--- Quote ---MAB?
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They're already effectively married, add a few scenes of them talking to each other and learning to understand each other (and possibly have Harry give her a nickname, see the "Harry has naming powers" theory) and they may become shipable.
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