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Ghost Story Book Club - Chapters 46-FINISH **MAJOR SPOILERS**
omfgitsbacon:
--- Quote from: Autra on July 27, 2011, 06:14:36 PM ---Am I the only one who thinks that Murph already suspects that it was Kincaid that killed Harry? Didn't it say in the book that she almost went out of her way to not mention him as a suspect?
I'm about a third of the way through my second read through, so I might be mistaken, but that's something that kind of popped out to me last night. Well, second FULL read through. I went back and reread the last 125 pages or so last night, because the final 'scenes' were just great.
As for how angry she'll be when she finds out that Harry set it all up himself, I really don't know if it's going to be a HUGE problem. I mean, I'm sure she'll be pissed, but I think that if she finds out that he didn't even mention it to Thomas, it might mollify(heh) her a little bit.
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Timeout I think we are forgetting a major detail about Harry's decision to arrrange his own murder. Firstly that despair and reasoning wouldn't have come about if it was for the Fallen Angels whispers. Or more precisely, that LEVEL of despair and reasoning. The line the Angel imprinted in him forced Harry to conclude his existence had to end because he would be turned into a monster at the end of the quest. However, that eliminates his ability to make a choice, thus Uriel stepped in. I'm pretty sure Harry would've said something like "screw the role of Winter Knight, I'm harry Dresden" or something.
laura_be:
--- Quote from: Quester on July 27, 2011, 07:15:46 PM ---Not to be mean or anything but the Harry at the moment didn't know that he had set himself up to go boom. And yeah I was never a Harry/Murphy shipper, alway be more frineds then girlfriend. lol, but I think this prob but the kobosh on it EVER happening. Just hope it doesnt destroy their friendship as well.
And as for everyone that complaining about the way he did Molly. He knows how messed up what he did is. At a moment in his life when he was thinking about only one thing, he hurt many of the people he cares about. But what eating him the most, from my pov, is how close he come to destroying Molly.
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Oh, I get it that Harry didn't know, or more precisely he didn't remember setting up his own murder. But him planning such a thing, not thinking about his friends, etc. That would make Murph feel betrayed, I think. But eventually, she would understand it. I think their relationship will be threaten but more because of the bad place she's in right now, more than for the implications of what he did. She knew him well enough to know and understand his motivations at that point. I honestly, don't know if they will or won't end up involved. I ship them (have no shame in admitting that) but I value their frienship so much more. Like you, I hope what's happened doesn't brake that. I think it will strain it, yes. But not break it.
About Molly, I agree, he knows what he did to her, and he feels terrible for it. Molly was his big concern in this book, like his daughter was in Changes. He feels responsable for everything that happens to her. And he should, to some degree. She agreed to it, after all.
jphendren:
--- Quote from: omfgitsbacon on July 27, 2011, 07:34:32 PM ---Timeout I think we are forgetting a major detail about Harry's decision to arrrange his own murder. Firstly that despair and reasoning wouldn't have come about if it was for the Fallen Angels whispers.
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I don't think anyone has attempted to dispute that fact, not do i disagree that the fallen whispering to him was ultimately responsible for him attempting to end his own life. What I take umbrage at is the fact that he USED molly to further those ends. Sure the fallen may have convinced him that he had to kill himself to protect those he loved, but I certainly doubt that it told him he had to involve Molly to the extent of being completely complicit in the death of the man she loves most in the world. She flat out told him "do you know what this is going to do to me?" in terms of destroying her heart, and he forged on ahead sure of the righteous nature of his actions.
Let's be sure of one thing here, i'm not saying that this has destroyed my faith in Harry, quite the contrary. It's made him seem even more human, more relatable, as he has F'd up huge here. But it's still, by far, leaps and bounds worse than anything he has consciously chosen to do in the series so far, and to do it to someone that he loves makes it worse still.
jphendren:
That being said, it's still going to be amazing to see how he repairs the relationships that he damaged in Changes/Ghost Story all the while balancing the demands of Mab/Chicago/White Council.
Only another year and a half (hopefully) until the next time I don't blink for 5 consecutive hours.
Bring it on!
Sgun:
--- Quote from: jphendren on July 27, 2011, 07:58:23 PM ---That being said, it's still going to be amazing to see how he repairs the relationships that he damaged in Changes/Ghost Story all the while balancing the demands of Mab/Chicago/White Council.
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Yeah...I see Harry having to drop everything and haul ass somewhere to keep Eb from having an epic throwdown with Kincaid. Then stepping between Kincaid and Murphy for the same reason....only Murphy not letting him. Will be interesting.
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