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Ghost Story Book Club - Chapters 46-FINISH **MAJOR SPOILERS**
Lord Kasavin:
--- Quote from: yeanomaybe on July 30, 2011, 02:52:55 AM ---I've been reading through this thread just to make sure I don't repeat anyone... There's a couple questions I have.
Am I the only one who made the connection between gods and demons thrown out from other places, living in the sea as a description of the Fomor and the Lovecraftian mythos? If Cthulhu shows up in the next book, I would be extremely surprised, but strangely satisfied
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Fomorians are actually part of Irish or Gaelic mythology, so they predate Lovecraft by a couple hundred years or millenia. Also, Cthulu has really been overdone in pop culture lately. I think Outsiders are inspired by Lovecraftian molds, and I am fine with that, but actually including the name Cthulu would just make me think of the "why vote for the lesser of two evils" bumper sticker. Black Goat with a Thousand Young on the otherhand...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fomorians
--- Quote ---He still have no idea what Demonreach's other powers are besides local intellectus. We also don't know what "lives on the other side" of the island. Plus, it almost seems that Mab is scared of Demonreach in the last couple chapters of Ghost Story. Wonder of wonders, eh? The whole significance of the island being the "spring" of dark energy as opposed to just a channel for it also still hasn't been explained. There's gotta be a pretty big baddie on the other side, but if The Gatekeeper, and Peabody are acquainted with it... Would that also imply that the Black Council/Circle (or whatever it's called) has some sort of alliance with this hypothetical Big Baddie?
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We don't know much about Demonreach, you are right. However, I would like to point out that intellectus alone is enough to make Mab fear it. Sidhe thrive on misdirection and deceit, and Demonreach can see through any deception on the island. The Mothers probably have that ability, but she does not. Beyond that, Demonreach does have a lot of just good old fashion energy. Both spiritual energy from nature, and energy from ley line.
--- Quote ---I want to see the Erlking back. That guy was a boss. In conjunction with that, will Thomas eventually have to hunt Harry? Does the Erlking have a mortal knight (now or has he ever had one)?
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Why would Thomas ever hunt Harry? He owes no allegiance to the Erlking, he just joined the Wild Hunt for an evening instead of getting killed by it. Meanwhile, I don't see why the Erlking would have a Knight. Knights are mortal Champions of the Courts, not the Queens Who Are, though usually the distinction does not come up often. The Erlking doesn't have a court, he's a wildfae (essentially neutral to the 2 dominant courts) with power comparable to the Queens Who Are, but would be no match to Winter or Summer in their entirety.
--- Quote ---Concerning necromancy and death in "shades of gray", how could Kemmler, the most accomplished necromancer mentioned in the series so far, just drop into death and bid farewell to life so easily when one of his apprentices, Corpsetaker, only took a year to almost return him/her/itself to a body. I see an Evil Bob and Kemmler reunion. Or maybe Kemmler put part of himself into Evil Bob? I'm speculating pretty hardcore right now.
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Go back and read the part on Kemmler in Dead Beat. They White Council did kill him, several times, and finally in 1961 or so found a way to make it stick. We don't really have the details of how they did it, except it involved the Wardens, the Senior Council, any wizard with combat ability they could get to go along, and any other supernatural ally they could find. On an interesting side note, this was detonated in 1961.
That is my 2 cents to some of your questions/comments.
novaseaker:
I really don't think Mab was lying or being deceitful at all. Go back and read the discussion between Harry and Mab after Uriel's seven words. Harry is not telling Mab she can't change him. He's convincing her not to. She certainly can change him, but doing it would destroy the bits about him she actually likes/wants/needs. That doesn't mean its beyond her capability, though. At any time, she could just shrug and say "meh, don't care anymore" and warp Harry into a mindless servitor.
I mean, any dark magic wizard could break the Fourth Law of Magic and enthrall someone. A practitioner of enough power could even do it to Harry.
Are you saying that Mab doesn't have that power?
kdix:
I have several questions that I STILL haven't seen answers for, and I'd expected them after Changes.
1. Who is Harry's grandmother (Maggie's mother/Ebenezar's lover)? Is it Summer Queen Titania? Jim Butcher said years ago in a talk that Titania hadn't been introduced for a reason. I can only assume he was saving her for a later book.
2. Why was Bob so nervous about a) the NeverNever and b) Mab? Is he totally screwed now that Harry is the Winter Knight, since he wanted absolutely nothing to do with anything that would bring him into Mab's view?
3. What was the POINT of Harry being sent back? To rescue Molly, kill Corpsetaker and assist the rest of the Chicago crew? Or did Uriel have a more advanced motive? I did a quick read-through for my first pass and am halfway through my second pass of Ghost Story, so perhaps I missed something.
4. Do we have titles for the remaining volumes of the 20-volume Dresden Files cycle?
5. Why didn't we see a return of the Nightmare? There were a few shades I'd have expected to appear along with Corpsetaker.
And finally, props to Butters (my favorite supporting character) and Mort. I'm just disappointed that Tyrannasaurus Sue didn't make an appearance, since ghostly types were the focus of this book.
MollyFanboy:
Not sure if I'm the only one who thinks this, but the whole mental sequence with the Molly's on the Bridge of the Enterprise was probably one of the most dramatic, hilarious, tear-jerking and mind-blowing sequences I have ever read in a book. Ever.
napgirl:
--- Quote from: kdix on July 30, 2011, 04:29:49 AM ---I have several questions that I STILL haven't seen answers for, and I'd expected them after Changes.
1. Who is Harry's grandmother (Maggie's mother/Ebenezar's lover)? Is it Summer Queen Titania? Jim Butcher said years ago in a talk that Titania hadn't been introduced for a reason. I can only assume he was saving her for a later book.
2. Why was Bob so nervous about a) the NeverNever and b) Mab? Is he totally screwed now that Harry is the Winter Knight, since he wanted absolutely nothing to do with anything that would bring him into Mab's view?
3. What was the POINT of Harry being sent back? To rescue Molly, kill Corpsetaker and assist the rest of the Chicago crew? Or did Uriel have a more advanced motive? I did a quick read-through for my first pass and am halfway through my second pass of Ghost Story, so perhaps I missed something.
4. Do we have titles for the remaining volumes of the 20-volume Dresden Files cycle?
5. Why didn't we see a return of the Nightmare? There were a few shades I'd have expected to appear along with Corpsetaker.
And finally, props to Butters (my favorite supporting character) and Mort. I'm just disappointed that Tyrannasaurus Sue didn't make an appearance, since ghostly types were the focus of this book.
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in reverse order-5. the corspestaker was nutters&doesn't play well with others. plus, there are many more books.
4. the next one is titled cold days& somewhere in woj he says that empty night, stars &stones and hell's bells are curses for reason where Jim alludes to those being the final three.
3. i think the point is harry changed and he needed to. be more introspective, think outside of the box& be willing to face what his decisions do to others. plus a nifty way to insert some history that has hitherto has no easy entry point into the plot.
2. dude, mab-queen of air&darkness. her sobriquet is practically "be afraid". &bob has a history with her. *shivers* and bob is a spirit, which means something in nevernever that it doesn't in the mortal sphere-meaning bob can be destroyed permanently-i'd be afraid of that. and butters has him now, so will see where he ends up.
1. titiana as harry's grandma? that actually is kinda a cool theory-&would explain much about his mom. but there could be another reason why we've yet to see either one of these women. and who says she was eb's lover only? could have had a wife...or it was someone else's wife...
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