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Ghost Story Book Club - Chapters 46-FINISH **MAJOR SPOILERS**
Lord Kasavin:
--- Quote from: itari on July 29, 2011, 04:38:51 PM ---Chauncy is not a Fallen. He's a demon.
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The Fallen are demons. Remember, demon is just a generic term for supernatural and evil entity. Thus the Fallen, the Outsiders, and others are types of demons. While Fool Moon doesn't explicitly call Chauncy a Fallen, it was only the second book and the Fallen weren't introduced until Death Masks.
itari:
--- Quote from: Lord Kasavin on July 29, 2011, 07:12:37 PM ---The Fallen are demons.
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Which doesn't mean that Chauncy is a Fallen. Wolvess are carnivores, and felines are carnivores too, but wolves aren't felines.
The Fallen have names ending with -el (because they were angels). Chauncy's full name, IIRC, is Chaunzaggoroth (sp?). Besides, I really doubt that Harry's circle would have been capable of imprisoning a Fallen.
Vikermac:
--- Quote from: Lord Kasavin on July 29, 2011, 07:12:37 PM ---The Fallen are demons. Remember, demon is just a generic term for supernatural and evil entity. Thus the Fallen, the Outsiders, and others are types of demons. While Fool Moon doesn't explicitly call Chauncy a Fallen, it was only the second book and the Fallen weren't introduced until Death Masks.
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Eh...I was under the impression that the Fallen, like the Outsiders, where something different. Demonic, maybe, but they weren't vanilla demons like Chauncy. The Fallen were angels, I'm not sure all demons were once angels. Some things are just evil from the start.
ethanjf:
--- Quote from: itari on July 29, 2011, 07:19:47 PM ---Which doesn't mean that Chauncy is a Fallen. Wolvess are carnivores, and felines are carnivores too, but wolves aren't felines.
The Fallen have names ending with -el (because they were angels). Chauncy's full name, IIRC, is Chaunzaggoroth (sp?). Besides, I really doubt that Harry's circle would have been capable of imprisoning a Fallen.
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I agree; we don't know much about the taxonomy of Hell in the Dresdenverse, but a lot of conceptions of it make a distinction between the Fallen Angels and ordinary demons, creatures of hate and pain but who were never angelic. It seems to me like that might be the case here -- Chauncy is an ordinary plain-vanilla demon.
UnRiel:
Harry does not need to reside in the NN at Winter's court full time as Summer Knight established. Clearly the Summer and Winter Courts commute with the change of seasons when they feel that it is appropriate to reside in the mortal realm at all. Just consider what Mab's presence sustaining Harry into May on Demonreach did to Chicago's weather. I inferred that Aurora's Chicago penthouse was her digs when summer arrived in the northern hemisphere, but these Queens and Ladies have global responsibilities and as likely global residences. The respective Knights can be assumed to require similar mobility and therefore several residences.
The question remains, how long will Harry remain the Winter Knight? Will it be only for the next book? I suspect so. 10 more books of Winter Knight Harry doesn't sound to me like Jim's M.O. for the series.
I look forward to the challenge of the Fomor. Harry has his work cut out for him since his triggering the destruction of the Red Court caused such a power vacuum.
As Harry's own power grows, so do the challenges and the adversaries. Another reason I suspect the Winter Knight's mantle is temporary is that it makes Harry too powerful, too soon. Just as Harry temporarily lost the advantage of Lash's services and Hellfire before he was gifted Soulfire by Uriel, Harry may effectively be at a level with the senior council of the White Court. I wonder if he will openly defy the Merlyn now and with the knowledge that he's not just bluffing. Anyway, before he can develop his natural abilities further, he'll need to be released from the WK mantle. Surely the custodianship of Demonreach will contribute to this growth.
I enjoyed this very much but I won't put it on a par with the previous 2-3 books. I really view it as more of a wrap up of books 1-11 that Changes was thought to be or in other words Part II of Changes. Still sometimes there can only be so much sustained action and the value of this chapter is the humility and maturity it is sure to have instilled in Harry's character. Let the saga continue!
Thanks Jim. Can we hope that Winter Knight will resume the regular April 1 schedule (not getting my hopes up too high).
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