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Demonreach, the Holy People, and Outsiders
Serack:
--- Quote from: teamlash on July 15, 2011, 06:32:12 PM ---I always wonder (okay, hope) whether stepping through to the NN on Demonreach leads to the place where the -real- fallen are stuck (like the cavern mentioned in the book of Enoch, for example). I know that there's a fallen angel in each of the blackened Denari, but I never really saw that as the 'physical' angel.
Lash was a copy, right? Well I've always thought that the angels inside the coins were just the spiritual aspect.
So maybe their bodies/physical forms are hidden somewhere in the NN? That probably made no sense, excuse my rambling xD
Maybe there are other dark beings stored there, and Maggie was supposed to guard them?
Either that, or it's a gateway to the outer gates, the ones that the outsiders live behind (as you mentioned)
OH, could the old ones have been the watchers/nephilim?
I'm going to stop hijacking your research and dive into a pile of musty books, my apologies xD
Thanks for making me think though ^_^
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Meh, this is total hypothesis, but I think it's possible, that being spirit beings, physical dimensions don't really matter, and their "bodies" are in the coins too. I kind of imagine pockets of the NN trapped in the coins kinda the opposite of how a dream can create a pocket in the NN...
--- Quote from: Technobuilder on July 15, 2011, 06:33:56 PM ---In reference to the WoJ talking about the lighthouse runes, Jim says Harry could figure it out if he had the comic book.
I was under the impression he was referring to one of the old Lovecraftian Horror type comics. (Implying Outsiders)
Also, talking about the mantle of "The Warden" I got the impression that Demonreach may be a prison a sort... or sorts.
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It is generally accepted that Jim was referring to some script found in Welcome to the Jungle, the first DF "graphic novel".
peregrine:
Fair enough. I think of Prehistory being before we have records from, not necessarily before records were kept. I suppose without WoJ on what he considers prehistory, it's impossible to tell, really.
Lash Dresden:
--- Quote from: Serack on July 15, 2011, 06:38:33 PM ---It is generally accepted that Jim was referring to some script found in Welcome to the Jungle, the first DF "graphic novel".
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I own Welcome to the Jungle, and I've obviously read it a couple of times, but I don't remember -- does Harry (or Bob) identify the runes, or are they just there? Bob talks about the type of ritual that's being put together, but is that based off or runes, or something else?
Serack:
--- Quote from: peregrine on July 15, 2011, 06:41:43 PM ---Fair enough. I think of Prehistory being before we have records from, not necessarily before records were kept. I suppose without WoJ on what he considers prehistory, it's impossible to tell, really.
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Or we might have to wait until we get more info in the books :D
--- Quote from: Lash Dresden on July 15, 2011, 06:44:52 PM ---I own Welcome to the Jungle, and I've obviously read it a couple of times, but I don't remember -- does Harry (or Bob) identify the runes, or are they just there? Bob talks about the type of ritual that's being put together, but is that based off or runes, or something else?
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(below is a modified version of a post I made in the other topic)
The person that took the notes for that WoJ Thought it had something to do with some graphetti in underchicago, but I'm pretty sure it had to do with some script on some small vessels used for collecting blood for an ascension ritual.
If I remember right, something in the comic identified the script as either in the language of the people that occupied parts of Greece before the people we currently think of as greek took over (and they were subsequently displaced into some rather crappy outlying Greecian areas that ended up being the home of the bulk of Hectate worship) or it was ancient ancient mesopotameanish... (as in presumerain)
I researched it a while ago, and remember looking into both at the time but don't remember the context for each... My copy of WttJ isn't with me at the moment though.
teamlash:
--- Quote from: Serack on July 15, 2011, 06:38:33 PM ---Meh, this is total hypothesis, but I think it's possible, that being spirit beings, physical dimensions don't really matter, and their "bodies" are in the coins too. I kind of imagine pockets of the NN trapped in the coins kinda the opposite of how a dream can create a pocket in the NN...
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It's a very good hypothesis, and the basis of a lot of angel-based mythology. I'm just a wishful thinker :D
So would that mean that if the Outsiders (hypothesising of course) were the ones to be imprisoned beyond demon reach, that they would have to be physical creatures at least in part?
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