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Origins of the Three Eye drug. (Changes spoiler)
pobabylon:
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on July 09, 2011, 03:31:37 PM ---Besides, I think Harry under Mab's control might well strike some of those people as a less dangerous wild card than Harry as he was pre-Changes.
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woah, never thought of it that way, the WK mantle being a lash for keeping harry tame...
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Lord Rae:
I'm not sure anyone who met Slate would consider being the winter knight as being "leashed". Rather if he's the winter knight he's "no longer our responsibility" would be the reasoning. But I'm not sure I buy it. If I did that would be the outcome they were going for.
Talion:
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on July 09, 2011, 02:18:54 AM ---For values of "pompous coward" equal to "not actually wanting to commit genocide".
He doesn't even have to have humanitarian* reasons for doing so. It seems entirely possible to me that we will discover in the next couple of books that the consequences of the annihilation of the Red Court are much much worse than the consequences of their existence.
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Well, thats pretty much a given since it was due to Harry ;-)
Roverbey:
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on July 09, 2011, 03:31:37 PM ---He doesn't stumble. He's steered every step of the way. There are very few chapters in Changes where Harry is not being managed by some combination of a) the Merlin b) Eb c) Mab or Lea d) Uriel/the White God e) Odin. It's not a complicated set of chances left to run, it's an operation micromanaged every step of the way.
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Well nuerovore, while I agree we can't discount your theory of a group of Illuminati level conspirators controlling things from behind the scenes, neither is there much direct evidence to support it. Many events can be explained/justified if your theory is true, but by assuming the level of near omniscience and competence you give this proposed group you could easily link truly random and unrelated events (say me not having my morning tea causing a collapse of tea futures). My main objection to this is largely personal in that such a conspiracy would be beyond complex with the potential for catastrophic failure if there is the equivalent of a rounding error in the plan. Depending upon the successful completion of, say, 200 events needing to happen in sequence just seems a needless complication. If such a conspiracy does exist in the Dresdenverse, I firmly expect Jim will show it toppling under its own weight simply because his universe seems to place a great store in free will and by its very nature such manipulation would be anti free will.
ebliss1:
--- Quote ---He doesn't stumble. He's steered every step of the way. There are very few chapters in Changes where Harry is not being managed by some combination of a) the Merlin b) Eb c) Mab or Lea d) Uriel/the White God e) Odin. It's not a complicated set of chances left to run, it's an operation micromanaged every step of the way.
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Gotta WAY DISAGREE on this one. If this was so carefully micromanaged as you state, then there is no way that Harry could have made the whole thing a TON worse - and he easily could have. The hijacked bloodline curse worked as it did because he goaded Susan into turning into the absolutely newest Red Court vampire in the world and then he used her to trigger the curse. If she had died before getting to that point (an easy-to-imagine scenario given the odds we saw stacked against out intrepid little band), the curse doesn't wipe out the entire Red Court, just some of it. Also, if Harry had just managed to take out the Red King, by his own words, that would have made the war against the White Council a lot harder since the Red King's instability and lack of coherent leadership were crippling the Red Court in the war. A Red Court with a sane and focused leader would have been brutal on the White Council. Also, had Harry's bloodline curse been used on, say, one of the Lords of Outer Night instead of a fledgling Susan, then all he would have done would have been to wipe out the leadership cadre (since the curse does not go down the family tree, only up), and thus leave thousands of Red Court vampires all over the world without restrictions. The could feed on and turn humans at will and we could have seen a population explosion among the Red Court.
There were way to many variables with too many available paths to being seriously up the creek for the CI scenario to have been micromanaged. MAYBE if we had seen Lea whisper to Harry that turning Susan and sacrificing her was tha answer I could by into your theory, but Harry came up with it all on his own that we could see. An no one, anywhere, wants to leave any plan up to Harry's bolshevik muppet thinking bringing him to the right conclusion.
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