The Dresden Files > DF Reference Collection
Origins of the Three Eye drug. (Changes spoiler)
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
Taking, as an axiom of this debate, a position which I do not actually believe, to wit, that there is a Black Council:
--- Quote from: LexVIII on July 07, 2011, 03:04:10 PM ---The Black Councils goals would have to be to place its members at the top of the magical hierarchy specifically of magically endowed human beings while at the same time organizing the weakening of the other supernatural powers to facilitate a smooth transition during the takeover.
--- End quote ---
Why ? What do we have to demonstrate they want to conquer and use rather than to destroy ?
--- Quote ---It is clear that while Victor Sells is not in the same league power wise as Dresden, He is clearly well trained
--- End quote ---
I disagree with that entirely. It seems very clear from his fight with Harry that he's an idiot who's been handed a bunch of odd and powerful recipes but has no real handle on magic as a larger thing, no systemic or strategic understanding. He's disposable.
--- Quote ---Finally, if discovered by the White Council see if more focus can be placed upon Wizard Dresden in order to recruit him into the organization. He was under the Doom of Damocles and if under suspicion may run right into the Black Councils arms for safety.
--- End quote ---
I can believe that pushing Harry to go dark is part of the point, even if not recruiting him directly. The flip he nearly has outside Sells' house, before the mysterious female voice brings him back to himself, seems to me like it very well might be the whole point of the operation.
--- Quote ---
Dresden was discovered to be far more resilient than suspected. Rather than running from White Council justice Dresden stayed to uncover the Sells operation killing Sells, capturing his associates, and destroying the production center for Third Eye. Worse, he clears himself of any wrongdoing and of the Doom meaning it will be more difficult to place blame on him in future events.
--- End quote ---
I would say that considering what anyone with a White Council agent could have found from the public record about Harry, thinking he would fold easily here is way too dumb for any plausible Black Council.
--- Quote ---Clearly the entire operation was ruined and almost a complete loss. None of the objectives were achieved. Due to the interference of Dresden; Third Eye could not be either reproduced or it was deemed a security risk as its production after Dresden proved he was innocent would have let on that Sells had compatriots.
--- End quote ---
They did however get data on how well the curse worked, which may well have been useful for designing the implementation in Changes.
Marcone survived and was able to consolidate power in Chicago with greater understanding of the supernatural.
--- Quote ---
The White Council is proven to be completely blind to the goings on within its own community except when the most gross of actions are taken and even then they turn on their own before looking to other culprits.
--- End quote ---
I disagree here too. The Council investigation in SF focuses most attention on the only plausible candidate. To have reason to look elsewhere they would need to have much information they do not and it is not plausible to expect them to have.
--- Quote ---Gain allies and operatives within the federal government utilizing supernatural favors to influence members
--- End quote ---
Really ? Considering the extent to which those FBI agents' self-control is being undermined by the belts, how long can we envision them remaining useful ? The belts destroy the users in pretty short order.
--- Quote ---Eliminating Marcone is also a priority in that it opens Chicago for the Black Council Agent Bianca St. Claire
--- End quote ---
You are positing a plan where at this point they want to keep her alive and replace Marcone ?
--- Quote ---Evidently the Hexenwolfen sociopathic effects are also accelerated by the panic of discovery by Dresden
--- End quote ---
Not evident at all to me. The belt Harry wears comes very near corrupting him in a matter of minutes.
--- Quote ---However there are several positives, one is that again there are no direct ties to the Black Council, second Marcone loses his supernatural enforcers meaning that he would have to start from scratch.
--- End quote ---
What supernatural enforcers ?
--- Quote ---Starting a large scale conflict between The Red Court of Vampires and the White Council is clearly the most important goal of the events. The Black Council has had prior dealings with Harry Dresden; they know what makes him tick and specifically manufacture an event that will cause him to react. Bianca St. Claire is clearly misled on how Dresden will react to the situation. A child is threatened, a woman is threatened, his friends are threatened, and finally his beloved is threatened. He is forced to be there by his duty to the White Council, the Red Court is already looking for war. These are all specifically tailored to make him react violently and (in the opinion of the White and Black Councils) excessively.
--- End quote ---
I don't really buy this one either.
We are looking at a Council which has, for centuries, held not starting a war with the Red Court more important than protecting any individual Red victim. Bianca misread Harry, but I don't think that takes being misled; it takes Harry in this particular situation being wildly atypical for a Council member. Nor is he forced to be at the party by his duty; he makes that clear when first invited.
--- Quote --- If Dresden surprises everyone by allowing these actions to take place then it only underscores the weakness of the White Council to a predatory species that would merely find some other pretext to act on that weakness.
--- End quote ---
No, it wouldn't. The Council have already been not interfering with the Red Court for centuries. Continuing to not interfere says nothing about weakness. The Council don't react to Red Court provocation because they basically have no need to; we see in Changes that when they finally do bestir themselves, the Red Court survive a matter of days. The Council are in the position of a martial arts master walking down the street refusing to be provoked by the taunts of a small child into killing that small child with one blow.
--- Quote ---Dresden being killed in the meantime is all the better as he has interfered in several operations killing in chronological order agents Kravos, FBI Hexenwolfen, and Sells disrupting each of their operations.
--- End quote ---
This whole analysis is excluding his value as an Outsiderbane.
--- Quote ---Not much Dresden reacted exactly planned; war between the two major groups is accomplished. The loss of Bianca St. Claire while unfortunate is not critical.
--- End quote ---
I would say it's absolutely critical. She is another sacrifice; her death is a casus belli.
--- Quote ---The Red Court’s first strike against Senior Council Member Simon Petrovich and Archangel is clearly done with advanced intelligence from Black Council agents.
--- End quote ---
If you believe that Simon is dead, and that the point of that operation was not to give him a deniable escape, perhaps.
--- Quote ---The Attack on Archangel is a message from the Red Court to the White Council that the war is so serious that the Red Court kills the White Council member that they trust the most first.
--- End quote ---
Alternatively, given that we know Ortega planned it, it's the "no war now" faction of the Reds' best hope to end the war. Trade Simon for Bianca, an eye for an eye, payment in kind under the Accords, and the justification for the war goes away. Otherwise there would not be a peace offer at the Council meeting in SK.
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
--- Quote from: Rasins on July 07, 2011, 05:48:47 PM ---That being the case, it's not a sure thing, but reasonable to guess that Victor had been taught it by someone from the RC to test it out (it hadn't been used for 1000 years according to Odin and magic changes about every 300 years according to Bob
--- End quote ---
Where are you getting that one from ? That sounds like you're reading something as meaning there's a major change periodically rather than slow drift over time, and I'm not recalling anything in the text to suggest that.
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
--- Quote from: kazimmoinuddin on July 08, 2011, 12:08:00 AM ---who wants to bet some of those warlocks found during the war, were due to someone sliping them third eye.
--- End quote ---
I'll bet against. We have no evidence at all that the drug does anything other than opens the Sight. We know the Council hunts warlocks all the time, we know the number is long-term increasing because the population of the planet is increasing.
Eleyctra:
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on July 08, 2011, 02:34:49 AM ---Where are you getting that one from ? That sounds like you're reading something as meaning there's a major change periodically rather than slow drift over time, and I'm not recalling anything in the text to suggest that.
--- End quote ---
There's a WOJ on that. (I tried again, and gosh I have the worst trouble finding the ones I need..)
Rasins:
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on July 08, 2011, 02:34:49 AM ---Where are you getting that one from ? That sounds like you're reading something as meaning there's a major change periodically rather than slow drift over time, and I'm not recalling anything in the text to suggest that.
--- End quote ---
Sorry, it wasn't Bob. It was in a WoJ from DragonCon .
Navigation
[0] Message Index
[#] Next page
[*] Previous page
Go to full version