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Origins of the Three Eye drug. (Changes spoiler)

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MegaPuff75:
I think it is quite likely Victor developed 3 eye himself, Harry says the curse was impossible once he realizes 3 eye is a potion he understands Victor is just running at a bigger scale using the power from the orgies. Monica says that Victor had been angry and that he gave her a sample of the 3 eye so she would understand him,which is probably why he created and he realized later that he could sell it as a drug. I'm also pretty sure that Victor was set up with the Beckitts by someone who wanted him to eliminate Marcone so that Bianca could take over more of the Chicago underworld. Had they succeeded Bianca's court would have a stranglehold on Chicago by the time she was elevated to the rank of Duchess in GP giving the RC a foothold to take control of most of the U.S. before starting their war with the WC.

biggs:
If you're going to assume the larger conspiracy, ask yourself who benefits from getting rid of the red court. Seems to me that people DIDN'T want Harry dead until the reds were killed off. Otherwise, the last two pages of changes would have happened at the end of book (insert number here). Nicodemus proved that he isn't above using firearms, and wouldn't have had any trouble rolling over Dresden even if he didn't. Same for cowl and his groupies. If you really think about it, nobody (groupwise) has tried very hard to kill dresden until changes

MegaPuff75:
You're assuming that Harry turning the curse against the RC was all part of the plan of the BC, but that doesn't really make sense if Arriana is BC the entire plan is suicide, if however Arriana assumes that the RK will side with her against Harry then the BC may have intended to weaken the WC by killing Eb and then finishing them off with another major offensive led by one of the Lords of Outer Night replacing the RK, but Harry does his thing and the whole plan falls to pieces so when he gets back to Chicago they have him whacked.

biggs:
With the red court gone there is a huge power vacuum in about 15% of the planets surface. All I'm saying is that people just didn't seem to be trying very hard to kill him, and he's been used as a cats paw before

Zolt:

--- Quote from: Jefe on June 29, 2011, 02:54:12 PM ---I think it is worth considering (as has been proposed before), that whoever put Victor on the path of black magic, passed out the wolf belts, etc., is a person or group of persons trying to engineer situations which would put Harry into a position to leave the White Council (or get kicked out).  This also goes for manipulation of the Red Court.  The entire war starting incident at Bianca's can be read as a situation manipulated to force Harry into actions which would get him kicked out of / severed from the White Council.

IMO, most of the antagonists Harry has faced to directly to this point (to include the Red Court in Changes) are more than likely sock puppets for a background player who would like to see Harry unaffiliated or outright hostile to the White Council, and ready for recruitment to their cause.

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We shouldn't work on the basis that all of Creation revolves around Harry. Even though it does (this is the Dresdenverse, after all).


--- Quote from: Jefe on June 29, 2011, 02:54:12 PM ---Also, the bloodline curse in Changes and the heart exploder in SF killed in similar ways, but the ritual in SF was NOT a bloodline curse, it used a thaumaturgic link powered by ritual sex.  I don't think it needs to be the same person teaching sells and the Red Court.  If two coaches who have never met each other both grew up knowing the rules of football and watching the same games, it is not unlikely they will both draw up similar plays.  So I don't know if the connection is necessarily there, other than Arianna getting nudged into action that involved Harry.

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It was the exact same curse, Vadderung himself says so. That noob Sells simply didn't have enough ooomph to make it spread to the family. He used sex rituals and a thunderstorm just to boost his power level. Harry could probably have achieved the same thing with a chalk circle, five minutes of preparation, and a spongebob action figure instead of a live rabbit.

The question is how Sells got his hands of those in the first place. The recipe for Three-eye, the name of a fairly bad-ass demon, his extremely nasty scorpions, and an ancient Maya death curse. It's unlikely that he just bought those from Amazon for his Kindle (although he might have had better luck with ebay).

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