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vultur:
--- Quote from: Sanctaphrax on November 08, 2013, 06:48:14 AM ---I dunno, does it seem off to you? If so, in which direction?
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It almost seemed a bit high at first glance, but yeah, in terms of the fate-point cost of using ACAEBG on everything it makes sense.
Although I guess it's really dependent on how common outright Immunity is. For 6 Refresh, Mythic Strength adds +6 stress and does lots of other things too... so you can often overpower Toughness just by doing more damage. And the guy with Incite Emotion (Lasting, Potent, At Range) is ignoring Toughness anyway.
Don't know what's right... just offering thoughts.
--- Quote ---If it can't apply Immunity, it's worthless.
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I wouldn't say having the tank with Toughness/Recovery/Superb Endurance take hits for the wizard or social guy with bad Endurance and no Toughness powers is worthless.
--- Quote ---Applying Immunity is the entire reason for the Power's existence. So I'm not changing that. And if "you are invincible" is a fair thing to buy with Refresh, why isn't "you and any friend of yours who stands close enough are invincible"?
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That's fair.
--- Quote ---Could increase the surcharge, though.
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Yeah... I think that given you can defend multiple friends with Immunity and at a two-zone range for 5-6 Refresh, cheaper than it would be for any one of those friends to get the Immunity power themselves...
--- Quote ---You still have the money and the connections while projecting your bear. So what exactly does it mean for the bear's Contacts/Resources to be lower than yours? That you have to perform your conversations/transactions with your main body rather than your bear? Is that meaningful?
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It is if you're hiding your real body behind wards and using your projection to actually do stuff.
--- Quote --- If my Contacts is sufficient to know who Six-Handed Jack is, does my bear know? If no, how does that even work? If yes, then is my bear's skill actually meaningfully lower?
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I was thinking in terms of using Contacts to spread rumors and stuff, or getting in to talk to important people; if it's not publicly known that your projection is 'you', or among non-clued-in people, your projection may not have access to the same people that you do (even if it looks human).
Sanctaphrax:
--- Quote from: vultur on November 09, 2013, 07:02:17 AM ---Although I guess it's really dependent on how common outright Immunity is. For 6 Refresh, Mythic Strength adds +6 stress and does lots of other things too... so you can often overpower Toughness just by doing more damage. And the guy with Incite Emotion (Lasting, Potent, At Range) is ignoring Toughness anyway.
Don't know what's right... just offering thoughts.
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If you don't know what's right, I'll take that as a good sign. Means I'm not clearly wrong in any particular direction.
--- Quote from: vultur on November 09, 2013, 07:02:17 AM ---I wouldn't say having the tank with Toughness/Recovery/Superb Endurance take hits for the wizard or social guy with bad Endurance and no Toughness powers is worthless.
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Sorry, I was unclear. I meant worthless to me, not worthless to the people taking it.
I wrote that Power to model the invulnerability-sharing power of the Siberian. If it can't do that, then I have no actual use for the Power.
--- Quote from: vultur on November 09, 2013, 07:02:17 AM ---Yeah... I think that given you can defend multiple friends with Immunity and at a two-zone range for 5-6 Refresh, cheaper than it would be for any one of those friends to get the Immunity power themselves...
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Yeah, you're right.
How much do you think it should cost?
--- Quote from: vultur on November 09, 2013, 07:02:17 AM ---It is if you're hiding your real body behind wards and using your projection to actually do stuff.
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I was thinking in terms of using Contacts to spread rumors and stuff, or getting in to talk to important people; if it's not publicly known that your projection is 'you', or among non-clued-in people, your projection may not have access to the same people that you do (even if it looks human).
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Eh, I guess you could kind of justify a difference in skill between body and projection. But it still seems like a source of headaches, and I don't really want to make the upgrade stronger, so I think I'd rather leave it as-is. Compels can paper over problems like they always do.
vultur:
--- Quote from: Sanctaphrax on November 09, 2013, 08:46:57 PM ---Sorry, I was unclear. I meant worthless to me, not worthless to the people taking it.
I wrote that Power to model the invulnerability-sharing power of the Siberian. If it can't do that, then I have no actual use for the Power.
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Ah, OK.
--- Quote ---Yeah, you're right.
How much do you think it should cost?
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Well, my initial thought was a surcharge equal to the cost of the Toughness/Immunity powers, minus 1 (for the Tank power itself)?
You still get to apply it to multiple people (especially with the within-two-zones upgrade) so it still comes out cheaper in total (than having everybody buy it).
Though, actually, that's only really true with Immunity. For Toughness, it's better for everyone to have the power than for just one guy with it to take hits for everybody, since the one guy will accumulate stress faster.
So I think your given surcharges are good for non-Immunity Toughness powers. Immunity just needs an extra surcharge.
--- Quote ---Eh, I guess you could kind of justify a difference in skill between body and projection. But it still seems like a source of headaches, and I don't really want to make the upgrade stronger, so I think I'd rather leave it as-is. Compels can paper over problems like they always do.
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OK.
Sanctaphrax:
--- Quote from: vultur on November 10, 2013, 04:14:34 PM ---Well, my initial thought was a surcharge equal to the cost of the Toughness/Immunity powers, minus 1 (for the Tank power itself)?
You still get to apply it to multiple people (especially with the within-two-zones upgrade) so it still comes out cheaper in total (than having everybody buy it).
Though, actually, that's only really true with Immunity. For Toughness, it's better for everyone to have the power than for just one guy with it to take hits for everybody, since the one guy will accumulate stress faster.
So I think your given surcharges are good for non-Immunity Toughness powers. Immunity just needs an extra surcharge.
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I agree, but...I'm not sure how big the surcharge should be.
The Siberian has the full 30 Refresh screw-you Immunity Power. How much should it cost them to share it with everyone in their zone?
Another hypothetical example...there's an angel which instantly heals wounds unless those wounds were inflicted with "unholy" or "cursed" weapons. How much should it cost for it to share that with everyone within two zones?
Taran:
I don't think sharing the power should be automatic. She had to touch them. I think that should be written into the power. In certain circumstances there should be some kind of test to see if someone with this power can get to an ally fast enough to protect them. It might balance the power slightly. Maybe she has to assign a target in advance to protect and failing that can roll a second defense for the ally who took damage. If she defends, she absorbs the damage.
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