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The Catch for Fairies
Korwin:
I'm looking at the Catch Rules at page YW 185:
So Fairies would get:
* ...but usually doesn’t carry on them (like cold iron), you get a +2...
* ...almost anyone with an awareness of the supernatural knows about the Catch ... you get a +2for an +4 Catch.
Is that right?
Because Jenny Greenteeth OW 151 has an +1 Catch...
Deadmanwalking:
Catches can't reduce the cost of all your Toughness powers put together below -1, Jenny has only Inhuman Recovery (a -2 Power), so no Catch she took, no matter how severely limiting, could ever be worth more than +1.
That said, the Cold Iron Catch appears to be worth +3 (see YS, p. 371, 385. Or OW, p. 42-44, 48-49), though there's occasional disagreement with that (specifically, both Faerie Ladies have it as only +2). I suspect the latter is a clerical error.
I don't know how they arrived at +3 as the specific number, but it looks solid and feels about right. Possibly it's based on the fact that, frankly, not everyone does know about Cold Iron's effect on he Fae. It'd be easy to find in research, but you probably need to be in the magical community to know it off the top of your head. Add in the fact that unlike vampires, Fae are so varied it's hard to know what you're fighting, and the +3 starts to make alot of sense.
Korwin:
--- Quote from: Deadmanwalking on April 06, 2010, 09:56:16 AM ---Possibly it's based on the fact that, frankly, not everyone does know about Cold Iron's effect on he Fae. It'd be easy to find in research, but you probably need to be in the magical community to know it off the top of your head.
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From page YW 185:
--- Quote ---If almost anyone with an awareness of the supernatural knows about the Catch or could easily find out
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So that would be still +2.
But that:
--- Quote ---Add in the fact that unlike vampires, Fae are so varied it's hard to know what you're fighting, and the +3 starts to make alot of sense.
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I could see.
On the other hand, Red Court Vamps have the Flesh Mask, Fae have Clamour.
Should the catch be generally one step lower if the creature has means to disguise its nature?
Deadmanwalking:
It's not so much if you have a means to disguise your nature, as the fact that, say, Gruffs, Sidhe, and Trolls look nothing alike, while all Red Court Vampires look identical. That means that even if someone you're fighting has fought the Fae before, unless they were Fae of your specific variety, they need to do research on you before they know your vulnerabilities since, (like Harry during the very start of Small Favor) they have no idea that the goat-thing that attacked them was Fae.
And honestly, I have a certain amount of faith in the designers of the game, and they appear to have decided it's +3. That allows any Fae who wants to have Inhuman Toughness AND Recovery for a single point of Refresh. That's more than enough for me.
Korwin:
--- Quote from: Deadmanwalking on April 06, 2010, 05:51:55 PM ---It's not so much if you have a means to disguise your nature, as the fact that, say, Gruffs, Sidhe, and Trolls look nothing alike,
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But if you dont see their real lookalike anyway. Why should it make an difference how they really look?
Shure an Wizards who is ready to use the sight, could see the real creature behind the clamour/flesh mask. But thats not exactly an reasonable tactic in an fight.
--- Quote ---while all Red Court Vampires look identical.
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Like beatifull humans? Not shure how difficult it is to destroy the fleshmask. (Beside sunlight)
--- Quote ---That means that even if someone you're fighting has fought the Fae before, unless they were Fae of your specific variety, they need to do research on you before they know your vulnerabilities since, (like Harry during the very start of Small Favor) they have no idea that the goat-thing that attacked them was Fae.
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Maybe I am biased from the books. But I got the impression, if you are not shure what it is. Use steel...
--- Quote ---And honestly, I have a certain amount of faith in the designers of the game, and they appear to have decided it's +3. That allows any Fae who wants to have Inhuman Toughness AND Recovery for a single point of Refresh. That's more than enough for me.
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I'm not really disagreeing with the +3. But I would think the Red Court would warrant the same threatment. (or does he get it allready?)
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